O-Pee-Chee Baseball experts-need your help Updated with results

sportscardstop · January 23, 2014 6:44AM

Just picked up some really sharp stars from the late 70's. Also a couple OC rookies of Murray and Ozzie. Going to post scans in the next hour or 2. Just need to know if they will be worth grading and if I am overlooking anything. Never did much with OPC in the past, so I am not 100% sure how PSA handles the rough cuts.

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Ilovecards · January 23, 2014 6:53AM

PSA wants rough cuts on OPC otherwise it might be deemed trimmed

sportscardstop · January 23, 2014 8:21AM

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grote15 · January 23, 2014 8:42AM

Absolutely submit these cards. OPC are super tough for this era and command nice prices. The rough cut is also what you want to see on these as it confirms that cards are original and not sheet cut.

sportscardstop · January 23, 2014 8:50AM

<< Absolutely submit these cards. OPC are super tough for this era and command nice prices. The rough cut is also what you want to see on these as it confirms that cards are original and not sheet cut. >>

I actually picked up 2 of the 1978 Younts, and both are actually a little short when compared to other cards. But they have the rough cut. So we will see. Also the Pete Rose doesn't have much of a rough cut. But it does measure up and is really sharp.

hyperchipper09 · January 23, 2014 9:15AM

I like the Molitor and Schmidt, just personally, not looking at them from a grading standpoint. Perfect OPC cards in my opinion, those 2.

yankeeno7 · January 23, 2014 9:18AM

nice cards.

The murray is often miscut badly. If it's square, you have a nice card.

Now, your key....the 77 Nolan Ryan. Would have to see a scan of the back. I have never seen one that is NOT miscut on the back though I know they are out there, just very tough.

jmaciu · January 23, 2014 9:18AM

I agree with Grote in that you should submit all of these. I love the rough cut!

grote15 · January 23, 2014 10:08AM

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<< Absolutely submit these cards. OPC are super tough for this era and command nice prices. The rough cut is also what you want to see on these as it confirms that cards are original and not sheet cut. >>

I actually picked up 2 of the 1978 Younts, and both are actually a little short when compared to other cards. But they have the rough cut. So we will see. Also the Pete Rose doesn't have much of a rough cut. But it does measure up and is really sharp. >>

N6s are unfortunately pretty common with 78 opc. But definitely worth a shot.

sportscardstop · January 23, 2014 10:27AM

<< nice cards.

The murray is often miscut badly. If it's square, you have a nice card.

Now, your key....the 77 Nolan Ryan. Would have to see a scan of the back. I have never seen one that is NOT miscut on the back though I know they are out there, just very tough. >>

You called it on the 77 Ryan. I have two of them. Here are the pics of the front followed by the back. Also had another really nice 78 ryan. But there is some snow on his right arm. Will still probably send all 3 cards in.

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grote15 · January 23, 2014 10:46AM

The second 77 Ryan has a shot to straight grade if they don't notice the piece of grass on bottom back. First Ryan is very likely going to get MC qualifier

yankeeno7 · January 23, 2014 10:56AM

<< The second 77 Ryan has a shot to straight grade if they don't notice the piece of grass on bottom back. First Ryan is very likely going to get MC qualifier >>

+1

I would not bother sending in the first 77 Ryan but I surely would the second. Thats one of the better ones I have seen as far as the back not being miscut. Only problem is that I see that card being graded a straight 6 due to the corners.

olb31 · January 23, 2014 11:12AM

send in both 77's. the first one should get an 8.5 or 9. the second one an 8 or 8.5. i have 2 of the 12 9's nolan ryan 1977 opc.

DavidPuddy · January 23, 2014 11:19AM

<< send in both 77's. the first one should get an 8.5 or 9. the second one an 8 or 8.5. i have 2 of the 12 9's nolan ryan 1977 opc. >>

Disagree here.

The first will likely be a 9mc unless you get a grader that doesn't care about the grass on the back. The second, due to it's lower left corner will likely get a straight 7 or 7.5.

I wouldn't bother with the 78 Eck. Pop is pretty high and it's likely an 8.

Will that 83 Ripken even fit into a holder?

Very solid bunch of cards.

grote15 · January 23, 2014 12:20PM

<< send in both 77's. the first one should get an 8.5 or 9. the second one an 8 or 8.5. i have 2 of the 12 9's nolan ryan 1977 opc. >>

No way the first Ryan gets straight graded--any 77 OPC card with any sign of the grass on right edge gets MC qualifier. If it doesn't, it's misgraded.

Edit to add: What Puddy and Yankeeno7 said..

olb31 · January 23, 2014 12:42PM

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<< send in both 77's. the first one should get an 8.5 or 9. the second one an 8 or 8.5. i have 2 of the 12 9's nolan ryan 1977 opc. >>

No way the first Ryan gets straight graded--any 77 OPC card with any sign of the grass on right edge gets MC qualifier. If it doesn't, it's misgraded.

Edit to add: What Puddy and Yankeeno7 said.. >>

both of my 9's look identically cut. puddy's reference about the corner, i am not sure about that.

grote15 · January 23, 2014 1:28PM

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<< send in both 77's. the first one should get an 8.5 or 9. the second one an 8 or 8.5. i have 2 of the 12 9's nolan ryan 1977 opc. >>

No way the first Ryan gets straight graded--any 77 OPC card with any sign of the grass on right edge gets MC qualifier. If it doesn't, it's misgraded.

Edit to add: What Puddy and Yankeeno7 said.. >>

both of my 9's look identically cut. puddy's reference about the corner, i am not sure about that. >>

You're missing the point. The MC issue is on the reverse of 77 OPC cards--any sign of grass on the right edge should automatically saddle that card with a MC qualifier.

hyperchipper09 · January 24, 2014 12:01AM

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<< send in both 77's. the first one should get an 8.5 or 9. the second one an 8 or 8.5. i have 2 of the 12 9's nolan ryan 1977 opc. >>

No way the first Ryan gets straight graded--any 77 OPC card with any sign of the grass on right edge gets MC qualifier. If it doesn't, it's misgraded.

Edit to add: What Puddy and Yankeeno7 said.. >>

both of my 9's look identically cut. puddy's reference about the corner, i am not sure about that. >>

You're missing the point. The MC issue is on the reverse of 77 OPC cards--any sign of grass on the right edge should automatically saddle that card with a MC qualifier. >>

The second Ryan almost looks like print dots but it is the grass showing. It's barely there but there. First one, if graded correctly with the grass showing, without any doubt gets a MC. Might be able to slide that second one by, I'd probably roll the dice

ClockworkAngel · January 24, 2014 1:10AM

That's an exciting find sportscardstop! It looks like you definitely have some 9's mixed in there and possibly a 10 or 2

As the hobby has gotten more and more intensive on grading, there is nothing more exciting than finding a sharp old lot of cards and going through them looking for the real gems to grade. The 2 I'd be most interested in hearing about would be the 1980 Molitor and the 1978 Bench. Those look like potential 10's...

ClockworkAngel · January 24, 2014 1:29AM

<< PSA wants rough cuts on OPC otherwise it might be deemed trimmed >>

I have many OPC PSA 9's and 10's that are not rough cut in the least. The blades on the cutting machine would get slightly duller as time went on. So the cards that were in the first rounds of cuts generally might be smooth before the blade starts to make the cuts a bit rougher. Some years are more prevalent than others.

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It is definitely safe to say that the later the year the less likely you are to find rough cuts, particularly starting in the 80's, when they are far less common

DavidPuddy · January 24, 2014 4:12AM

70's OPC didn't use blades to cut the sheets, they used taut wire. Not sure if/when they changed to blades.

grote15 · January 24, 2014 4:22AM

<< 70's OPC didn't use blades to cut the sheets, they used taut wire. Not sure if/when they changed to blades. >>

+1

As I stated earlier in this thread, I have opened a ton of late 70s opc wax and almost always have found the rough cut on at least one side. Personally, I like to see that when looking at OPC cards from thus era.

sportscardstop · January 24, 2014 6:26AM

I'll probably just submit them all. It's only around $6.00 each to take a chance on the Ryans. Hopefully there is a special for 1956-present this month.

Thanks for all the input.

sportscardstop · February 11, 2014 2:42PM

Sent these in under the February Special. Logged 2/7, popped 2/11. I got lucky w/ the fast poppage, but grades were just ok. Was hoping to get lucky and get a couple of more 10s from the O-pee-chees and maybe a couple more 9s. Really thought 1 or 2 of the hockey cards would have had a shot at a 10 as well. Will have to look over a few to see if its worth cracking and resubbing. Thanks for all the input earlier.

1 1 22550926 NEAR MINT 7 1976 O-PEE-CHEE 98 DENNIS ECKERSLEY Card
2 1 22550927 NEAR MINT 7 1977 O-PEE-CHEE 65 NOLAN RYAN Card
2 2 22550928 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1977 O-PEE-CHEE 65 NOLAN RYAN Card
3 1 22550929 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 29 ROBIN YOUNT Card
3 2 22550930 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 29 ROBIN YOUNT Card
4 1 22550931 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 50 JOHNNY BENCH Card
4 2 22550932 MINT 9 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 50 JOHNNY BENCH Card
5 1 22550933 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 105 NOLAN RYAN Card
5 2 22550934 NEAR MINT 7 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 105 NOLAN RYAN Card
6 1 22550935 EXCELLENT 5 1962 POST CEREAL 173 ROBERTO CLEMENTE HAND CUT-RED LINES Card
7 1 22550936 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 138 DENNIS ECKERSLEY Card
8 1 22550938 N8: MISCUT 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 154 EDDIE MURRAY Card
9 1 22550939 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 160 JOE MORGAN Card
10 1 22550940 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 180 ANDRE DAWSON Card
11 1 22550941 MINT 9 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 185 WILLIE McCOVEY Card
12 1 22550942 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 225 MIKE SCHMIDT Card
13 1 22550943 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 O-PEE-CHEE 41 ROBIN YOUNT Card
14 1 22550944 NEAR MINT 7 1979 O-PEE-CHEE 52 OZZIE SMITH Card
15 1 22550945 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1979 O-PEE-CHEE 52 OZZIE SMITH Card
16 1 22550946 NEAR MINT 7 1979 O-PEE-CHEE 101 JOHNNY BENCH Card
17 1 22550947 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 O-PEE-CHEE 323 MIKE SCHMIDT Card
18 1 22550948 MINT 9 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 211 PAUL MOLITOR Card
19 1 22550949 NEAR MINT 7 1982 O-PEE-CHEE 100 MIKE SCHMIDT Card
20 1 22550950 GEM MINT 10 1983 O-PEE-CHEE 163 CAL RIPKEN JR. Card
21 1 22550951 EXCELLENT 5 1961 FLEER 10 BOB COUSY Card
22 1 22550952 NEAR MINT 7 1961 FLEER 16 HAL GREER Card
23 1 22550953 EXCELLENT 5 1961 FLEER 22 K.C. JONES Card
24 1 22550954 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1961 FLEER 38 BILL RUSSELL Card
25 1 22550955 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1961 FLEER 44 LEN WILKINS Card
26 1 22550956 NEAR MINT 7 1961 FLEER 49 BOB COUSY IN ACTION Card
27 1 22550957 EXCELLENT 5 1961 FLEER 52 RICHIE GUERIN IN ACTION Card
28 1 22550958 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 168 DOUG WILSON Card
29 1 22550959 NEAR MINT 7 1981 O-PEE-CHEE 107 JARI KURRI Card
30 1 22550960 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 O-PEE-CHEE 148 LARRY MURPHY Card
31 1 22550961 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1982 O-PEE-CHEE 123 RON FRANCIS Card
32 1 22550962 MINT 9 1984 O-PEE-CHEE 327 CAM NEELY Card
33 1 22550963 MINT 9 1984 O-PEE-CHEE 185 DOUG GILMOUR Card
34 1 22550964 MINT 9 1984 O-PEE-CHEE 121 PAT VERBEEK Card
35 1 22550965 MINT 9 1986 O-PEE-CHEE 9 JOHN VANBIESBROUCK Card
36 1 22550937 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 154 EDDIE MURRAY Card