1976 Cloth Test Cards - Help Explain Please

richtree

Hey guys,

Looking for a little help here. So I made a sale, and then the buyer. asked me a bunch of questions about the 1976 cloth Test Cards. I know there are different versions of these two cards, but I couldn't explain the ones I had correctly to the buyer and lost the sale.

I only have one scan because I already packed them to ship, but can someone explain to me about the different versions of these cards if some are more valuable than others. My scan has white card stock behind them for image purposes. I have seen these go from 20 each to 100 -- each. Any help is appreciated, so hopefully I don't lose the sale next time by not knowing these cards.






thanks

-RT

mrmopar

From a quick google search

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-TOPPS-CLOTH-TEST-ISSUE-DUFFY-DYER-ALL-3-VARIATIONS-NM-/350943233998?nma=true&si=5TBkHjT%2F9%2BVUtKs%2B2aUA1YEevTQ%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Page 539, in case the link doesn't bring you right there too:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WSs0DEQyzVkC&pg=PA680&lpg=PA680&dq=1976+topps+cloth+test+issue&source=bl&ots=NkhOhKWkPP&sig=zOzi0un5413R1cS1VOVMi04l6WY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FYLgUqTpGY3xoASyv4KYDw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=1976 topps cloth test issue&f=false

richtree

<< <i>From a quick google search

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-TOPPS-CLOTH-TEST-ISSUE-DUFFY-DYER-ALL-3-VARIATIONS-NM-/350943233998?nma=true&amp;si=5TBkHjT%2F9%2BVUtKs%2B2aUA1YEevTQ%3D&amp;orig_cvip=true&amp;rt=nc&amp;_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Page 539, in case the link doesn't bring you right there too:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WSs0DEQyzVkC&amp;pg=PA680&amp;lpg=PA680&amp;dq=1976+topps+cloth+test+issue&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=NkhOhKWkPP&amp;sig=zOzi0un5413R1cS1VOVMi04l6WY&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=FYLgUqTpGY3xoASyv4KYDw&amp;ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&amp;q=1976 topps cloth test issue&amp;f=false >>



I should have stated that I know there are versions listed, as in the BIG BoOk above,

but how do you know which is which., and why some sell for more or less.

thanks

mrmopar

The auction is actually wrong if the guide is correct, as there should be 4 variations: silk, thin felt, thick felt and textured felt. Now how you can tell what you have w/o any other samples to compare, might just be a guessing game.

mrmopar

The Apodaca looked textured to me, where the Dyer doesn't.

JoeBanzai

Here's what I found. The entire list is at

http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/topps.html

TOPPS INSERT, TEST AND SUPPLEMENTAL BASEBALL ISSUES 1949-1980

By David Hornish, dsh46@aol.com1976 Cloth Stickers (Unknown)

R-414-UNC

It's very possible this was a two card set, but I'm not positive. I've only seen the Dyer, but know the Apodaca exists. They were battery mates for the Mets in 1974, which might explain things, it's just too much of a coincidence. These are somewhat like the 1972 "Stickers" in that they have no backing, and no glue and some are also diaphanous (that's the opposite of opaque). In fact, four varieties of each exist: silk-like and three types of felt, each of varying thickness. One day long a go, in a card shop whose current lack of existence is still lamented by yours truly, I encountered three strips of the Dyer, three to a strip, one above the other. Had to cut one of the danged things off myself, which was nerve-wracking, believe me. Centering is skewed extremely right on all copies I saw. Should measure the same as a regular card, but hand cutting ain't exactly like using a laser you know. Duffy's an exact dupe of his regular issue card, I assume Apodaca is the same. Rarest Topps baseball issue from the Seventies, I would think. A possible test for the 77's, but these were never released. Probably just a test printing, which was a good idea, as the colors on my Dyer are murky. The silk-like 77's are much more striking.

richtree

thanks guys....any more information is always welcomed....

richtree

so anyone know how much each of these are -- and which version from this scan ?

sdsalezman

There's a good article on the Topps Archives Blog about 1976 Topps Cloth Stickers Test

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