If you had a coin that went from an NGC PR68 to a PCGS PR? UPDATE GRADE IN LAST POST

Casman

PCGS PR67 CAM, then after crack and resubmission to a PCGS PR68 (no Cam)

Would you consider submitting under the new reconsideration service in an attempt to regain the CAM designation?

mercurydimeguy

Any given Sunday....

LindeDad

Who knows maybe the grader got lucky last night?

This is like asking if a pair of Aces is a winning hand. Sure if a pair of Kings is the best anyone has but will lose to 3 twos.

ambro51

Well it's your coin is it cameo or not?

Casman

<< <i>Well it's your coin is it cameo or not? >>



Well, really I didn't think so the first time it went in but then again, I'm not a grader nor yet well versed with the CAM stuff. And, once it got the CAM I'd thought ya you know what, I can see it...but with 3 weeks it was upgraded a point and not a CAM.


Edit: I don't have a decent pic of the reverse but here's a terrible obverse pic...best I can do from the office...

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>PCGS PR67 CAM, then after crack and resubmission to a PCGS PR68 (no Cam)

Would you consider submitting under the new reconsideration service in an attempt to regain the CAM designation? >>



Ask that it be given to the same guy who gave it a CAM before. I have to believe that a lot of these inconsistencies arise simply because the coin/s is/are seen by different graders. Do people here mentally regrade their coins every time they look at them?

CoinRaritiesOnline

<< <i>Well it's your coin is it cameo or not? >>



I agree with Ambro in that this is the criterion I would be using to determine whether to resubmit or not.

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>Well it's your coin is it cameo or not? >>



Well, it was once!

lcoopie

making a decision without seeing the reverse is impossible

Casman

<< <i>making a decision without seeing the reverse is impossible >>



I'll try and grab a good shot of the reverse but not that good with pics...

Thanks for the answers thus far...

Casman

Back in it went today under the new reconsideration service...update in a few weeks...

TwoSides2aCoin

It's like that "mommy , mommy " joke.

Kid :"mommy, why do I keep going in circles ? "
Mommy: " Shuddup kid before I nail your other foot to the floor "

Casman

Sent in for Reconsideration Regular, logged in Friday 3/7 and the grade posted this morning 3/12.

I struck out, but at least it was fast. I didn't realize this before but there is a pic that shows with the cert but it's not a trueview.

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magikbilly

From the Obv. photo I thought the Cam was iffy in the first place.

Eric

Casman

<< <i>From the Obv. photo I thought the Cam was iffy in the first place.

Eric >>



Can you expand on this a bit? I had it as a CAM lock based on the Obverse photo? I didn't get the chance to take a Reverse pic and if anything thought maybe the reverse was iffy.

Here's another one for comparison...and this one's a CAM67




and the PR68 coming up

lostincoins

I would give the obverse the cameo and the reverse is not quite there yet. With it in a holder it may never get there though as it needs a little bit of patina on those reverse raised surfaces.

magikbilly

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<< <i>From the Obv. photo I thought the Cam was iffy in the first place.

Eric >>



Can you expand on this a bit? I had it as a CAM lock based on the Obverse photo? I didn't get the chance to take a Reverse pic and if anything thought maybe the reverse was iffy.

Here's another one for comparison...and this one's a CAM67




and the PR68 coming up >>




Hello,

I am not Proof expert, but there appeared to me to be to a few too many breaks in the frost on the Obv. image (collar bone, hair, inside of nose etc.). See some DCAM and compare to CAM and then extrapolate a little bit down.

Eric

lostincoins

here is one that looks very much like yours what do you think? How much do you have vested in this coin now? Either I am missing something or you really like this quarter.

magikbilly

Isn't that the same photo as the coin op posted in small form John? Maybe I need to eat.



Eric

Casman

<< <i>here is one that looks very much like yours what do you think? How much do you have vested in this coin now? Either I am missing something or you really like this quarter.

>>




It looks like mine because it is mine. Do I really like it, I'm not attached at the hip, but more of lets say an experiment in grading.

magikbilly

What are you looking for? Some "tell" for CAM designation? Other?
Consistency is generally not a human trait.

Eric

lostincoins

Thats cool as yours is the coin facts coin. You should ask for a premium for that! lol

Casman

Here's the only other known 67CAM comparison. I was hoping that my PR68 would upgrade to PR 68CAM.

magikbilly

IMHO, it is partly a combination of surface qualities, the mirrors, the whole thing and the way it meets - not just some technical % of frost. My .02


Eric

SamByrd

how is it not a cameo? Play the game and resubmit.

ColonelJessup

<< <i>how is it not a cameo? Play the game and resubmit. >>



+1

ModCrewman

No question in my mind it's the reverse holding this back from getting a CAM. IMHO you've been market graded. A 67 CAM = PR 68 price wise...or approximately so they either withhold the CAM, and give the higher grade or give you the grade and not the designation.

I agree with PCGS on the non-cam grade as the left half of the reverse just doesn't have the dark fields needed for a CAM designation; regardless of how strong the obverse is. I think you're several submissions from getting it into a 68 CAM holder...if ever.

Still a great coin...don't lose site of that just due to what's on the plastic.

stealer

<< <i>No question in my mind it's the reverse holding this back from getting a CAM. IMHO you've been market graded. A 67 CAM = PR 68 price wise...or approximately so they either withhold the CAM, and give the higher grade or give you the grade and not the designation. >>


I agree, and I see this as the classic case of lower grade + designation or higher grade + no designation.