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seandogseandog Posts: 5
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I am very new to this and have started acquiring graded cards in the last year or so - most of my collection is PSA and a few SGC's on pre-war cards.

Recently, I have come across a couple BVG cards that look very strong from pictures and seem to be just as strong as the PSA equivalent number grade (color, centering, corners, marks, etc.). I am considering buying a couple and send in to cross-over to keep my cases consistent to PSA (plus it seems some of the BVG's have been selling for a little lower price).

My main questions is this, do these generally cross over to PSA with a similar grade or am I taking a big risk to cross-over? Also, when someone crosses over, do they leave in the case? My concern with this is as the grader sees the grade from the other company - do they have pride or ego and not keep the grade (and much less, not entertain the idea of bumping it up if it truly was undergraded to begin with)?

Please share your thoughts on how to do this and what I should expect - one of the cards is a BVG 5.5 1955 Topps Clemente (RC). I honestly think it looks more like 6's I have seen but want to make sure I at least get the 5.5!

Thanks!

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  • MauriceMaurice Posts: 1,136


    << <i>Recently, I have come across a couple BVG cards that look very strong from pictures and seem to be just as strong as the PSA equivalent number grade (color, centering, corners, marks, etc.). I am considering buying a couple and send in to cross-over >>



    << <i>Please share your thoughts on how to do this and what I should expect - one of the cards is a BVG 5.5 1955 Topps Clemente (RC). I honestly think it looks more like 6's I have seen but want to make sure I at least get the 5.5! >>



    I see 3 BVG 5.5 Clemente RC's on ebay. Forget about PSA 6. None of them will cross to a PSA 5.


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/121237381264?orig_cvip=true

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/300937647870?orig_cvip=true

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/261367972268?orig_cvip=true
  • creecree Posts: 393 ✭✭
    I agree with Maurice. I would just buy the grade that you want in a PSA slab.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭
    Unless you had the card in hand and could personally inspect it, possibly with a loupe, I wouldn't try it. I don't know your experience with grading, but assume you are relatively inexperienced at crossing over cards by reading your post. If you wanted a Clemente, I would take the above advice, save your time and money and just buy one in the grade you want. If you do decide to go ahead with the crossover at least crack the card from the BVG holder and send it in raw. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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  • DodgerfanjohnDodgerfanjohn Posts: 491 ✭✭✭
    Really?

    Because those look a lot like the psa 5's I've cracked for my 1960 set.

    Unless there's some nuance to the 1955 set that I'm unaware of.

    I will note that cards are much more visable in the becket holders. More than once there's been more damage to a card I cracked out of a PSA slab than was visable while it was slabbed.

    That said, I have passed on sgc 5's, 6's, and 7's due to centering issues and passed on Becketts where they were pretty badly overgraded
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Really?

    Because those look a lot like the psa 5's I've cracked for my 1960 set.

    Unless there's some nuance to the 1955 set that I'm unaware of. >>



    First one is a bad scan and you can't really see the corners but there appears to be a divot on the middle/bottom right side.

    The second has three rounded corners, the top right one may have been pressed, and looks a tad short left to right.

    The third one is a review and the back top right appears to have some paper loss.

    IMO, with those flaws, I don't see any of them getting PSA 5.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • seandogseandog Posts: 5
    You guys are great - thanks for the feedback!

    I agree, the ones listed are bad. The one I got (and still have a return period fortunately) is the first "completed listing" you see on 1955 toppsclemente 5.5. It ended on January 7th.

    Please let me know your thoughts on this one specifically. It seemed solid to me, but I do not have the same level of experience as you all
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    I am very new to this and have started acquiring graded cards in the last year or so - most of my collection is PSA and a few SGC's on pre-war cards.

    Recently, I have come across a couple BVG cards that look very strong from pictures and seem to be just as strong as the PSA equivalent number grade (color, centering, corners, marks, etc.). I am considering buying a couple and send in to cross-over to keep my cases consistent to PSA (plus it seems some of the BVG's have been selling for a little lower price).

    My main questions is this, do these generally cross over to PSA with a similar grade or am I taking a big risk to cross-over? Also, when someone crosses over, do they leave in the case? My concern with this is as the grader sees the grade from the other company - do they have pride or ego and not keep the grade (and much less, not entertain the idea of bumping it up if it truly was undergraded to begin with)?

    Please share your thoughts on how to do this and what I should expect - one of the cards is a BVG 5.5 1955 Topps Clemente (RC). I honestly think it looks more like 6's I have seen but want to make sure I at least get the 5.5!

    Thanks!


    The only thing to understand is that every seller on Ebay with a Beckett graded Clemente knows a whole lot more about the grading game than you do, and those particular cards are in Beckett holders for reasons only benefiting the current seller, and if the cards could be worth any more in any other holder they would put them in a different holder.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You guys are great - thanks for the feedback!

    I agree, the ones listed are bad. The one I got (and still have a return period fortunately) is the first "completed listing" you see on 1955 toppsclemente 5.5. It ended on January 7th.

    Please let me know your thoughts on this one specifically. It seemed solid to me, but I do not have the same level of experience as you all >>



    This one?

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    If so, the front looks clean but on the back, those may be erasure marks. Not sure but it could fall within a PSA 5 standard.

    edited to add: I tend to agree with Kb's thoughts. With that in mind, due to the numerous white marks, it probably lands closer to a 4 or considered a low end 5.

    edited again for clarity: that's assuming the white marks are on the card and not a reflection.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • MauriceMaurice Posts: 1,136


    << <i>The only thing to understand is that every seller on Ebay with a Beckett graded Clemente knows a whole lot more about the grading game than you do, and those particular cards are in Beckett holders for reasons only benefiting the current seller, and if the cards could be worth any more in any other holder they would put them in a different holder. >>


    seandog, read the above quote a few times.
  • seandogseandog Posts: 5
    Thanks for the feedback - I was assuming those were glares on the back from the camera. If they are eraser spots I would be concerned. My intent was not to get a higher grade but to end with a psa 5.5 - with a lack of availability of good psa 5.5's I noticed this one and thought it looked solid and may fit that mold.

    Any other thoughts on the particular card pictured?

    Thanks again to all who have shared their thoughts.
  • or246or246 Posts: 111 ✭✭✭
    How about contacting the seller and asking if he could send you more clear photos of the card. That way you might be able to see if that is a reflection or not. You might also get a better view of the corners.
    Currently working on 1970 Topps Hockey PSA 9 set
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am very new to this and have started acquiring graded cards in the last year or so - most of my collection is PSA and a few SGC's on pre-war cards.

    Recently, I have come across a couple BVG cards that look very strong from pictures and seem to be just as strong as the PSA equivalent number grade (color, centering, corners, marks, etc.). I am considering buying a couple and send in to cross-over to keep my cases consistent to PSA (plus it seems some of the BVG's have been selling for a little lower price).

    My main questions is this, do these generally cross over to PSA with a similar grade or am I taking a big risk to cross-over? Also, when someone crosses over, do they leave in the case? My concern with this is as the grader sees the grade from the other company - do they have pride or ego and not keep the grade (and much less, not entertain the idea of bumping it up if it truly was undergraded to begin with)?

    Please share your thoughts on how to do this and what I should expect - one of the cards is a BVG 5.5 1955 Topps Clemente (RC). I honestly think it looks more like 6's I have seen but want to make sure I at least get the 5.5!

    Thanks!


    The only thing to understand is that every seller on Ebay with a Beckett graded Clemente knows a whole lot more about the grading game than you do, and those particular cards are in Beckett holders for reasons only benefiting the current seller, and if the cards could be worth any more in any other holder they would put them in a different holder. >>




    Great post.
  • sportscardstopsportscardstop Posts: 531 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    The only thing to understand is that every seller on Ebay with a Beckett graded Clemente knows a whole lot more about the grading game than you do, and those particular cards are in Beckett holders for reasons only benefiting the current seller, and if the cards could be worth any more in any other holder they would put them in a different holder. >>



    I will agree to this 90% of the time. But there are some people out there that prefer Beckett grading over PSA...whether its the better protection from the holders, personal eye appeal, whatever. There are some that prefer BGS/BVG.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On another note.

    Welcome Sean.

    Please post on what you're picking up.

    I applaude your patience to come and ask questions rather than just jumping in and potentially dropping coin down the drain.

    I wish you the best and look forward to your posts on what you've acquired. image
    Mike
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    The only thing to understand is that every seller on Ebay with a Beckett graded Clemente knows a whole lot more about the grading game than you do, and those particular cards are in Beckett holders for reasons only benefiting the current seller, and if the cards could be worth any more in any other holder they would put them in a different holder. >>



    I will agree to this 90% of the time. But there are some people out there that prefer Beckett grading over PSA...whether its the better protection from the holders, personal eye appeal, whatever. There are some that prefer BGS/BVG. >>


    +1, especially if they want to sell reasonably quickly with other grading companies turnaround times.
    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
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