1938 Horrors of War... Anyone familiar with this set?

tsalems1

I know this is not the non sports section but figured I would get more help here seeing no one ever goes to the non sports section.

Anyone know what a mid grade raw set would go for? From what I can remember, there are around 300 cards in the set?
I looked at it a few months back and plan on checking it out again.
The set I checked out is mostly mid grade. some a little lower end and some nm-nmmt!
Other than the #1 card, last card and Hitler cards (3 of them?) are there any other key cards to check out?
Do any of the Hitler cards command more money than the others?

Any other help would be great.

Dpeck100

Hitler


This is the grand daddy of the set I know.


Price Guide


They used to have it listed at like $9,600 but it no longer shows pricing for a 9.

tsalems1

Thanks Dave.

Not sure how accurate the SMR prices are though.
It gives something to go by though

Dpeck100

<< <i>Thanks Dave.

Not sure how accurate the SMR prices are though.
It gives something to go by though >>




They are never accurate on a set like this. If you look at the liner notes you will see #286 for example sold for $6,600 in 2008 in a PSA 8. It is listed at $2,200.

I completely get not using an auction result for the guide because of bidding wars and unpaid listings but when a card that is clearly in high demand from the set sells for three times the book it should be risen some.

I think if anything it tells you on average which cards are more in high demand generally but it unfortunately doesn't do a good job on lower pop cards at all.

tsalems1

Good points and thanks for the help.
I have to take a better look at this set

jwilson6204

There are 288 cards in the set. Card number 240 is also popular. The first 24 cards along with 88 and 99 seem to bring a premium as well. The last 10-20 cards in the series can also be tough. Memory Lane just auctioned off a high grade set. They did the PSA 7's through Ebay and the 8's through their auction site. You can check out the prices obtained to see how your possible PSA 7's and 8's would fair. I was able to win just under 100 of the cards between Ebay and the auction site. Past Ebay prices or VCP should give you and idea of price points for PSA 3-6. You can pretty much ignore the current BIN prices (except for mine ) as they are even more inflated that BIN's for baseball. Hope that helps a little.

jwilson6204

"They are never accurate on a set like this. If you look at the liner notes you will see #286 for example sold for $6,600 in 2008 in a PSA 8. It is listed at $2,200."

I would be careful of 2008 & 2009 prices for the high grade cards. SMR did an article about a guy that put the highest graded set of HOW together in one year during that period. The prices are accurate for that period, but you'll notice that prices have come way down from that period.

tsalems1

This is great info. At this point, I just need to get another good look at the condition and see if I can get in to it at the right price.

halosfan

It's a great set ... PM me if you get it

Dpeck100

<< <i>"They are never accurate on a set like this. If you look at the liner notes you will see #286 for example sold for $6,600 in 2008 in a PSA 8. It is listed at $2,200."

I would be careful of 2008 & 2009 prices for the high grade cards. SMR did an article about a guy that put the highest graded set of HOW together in one year during that period. The prices are accurate for that period, but you'll notice that prices have come way down from that period. >>





They don't try and be accurate on most sets. I highly doubt if this card sold for three times the book value the current market is lower then what is published.



1975 Topps


Here is perhaps the most popular set of cards from the past 40 years. There are loads of cards from this set you can't touch for prices in the guide. The idea at least how I see it is to give you some rock bottom value on most of the cards and highlight some of the better ones.

hammered

<< <i>1975 Topps


Here is perhaps the most popular set of cards from the past 40 years. There are loads of cards from this set you can't touch for prices in the guide. The idea at least how I see it is to give you some rock bottom value on most of the cards and highlight some of the better ones. >>




That is funny.
$12 for #16 Tanana PSA 9? They're off on that one by about $1188.

Boggles the mind to think anyone actually uses SMR as a price guide.

fiveniner

not cheap at any condition.

jwilson6204

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<< <i>"They are never accurate on a set like this. If you look at the liner notes you will see #286 for example sold for $6,600 in 2008 in a PSA 8. It is listed at $2,200."

I would be careful of 2008 & 2009 prices for the high grade cards. SMR did an article about a guy that put the highest graded set of HOW together in one year during that period. The prices are accurate for that period, but you'll notice that prices have come way down from that period. >>





They don't try and be accurate on most sets. I highly doubt if this card sold for three times the book value the current market is lower then what is published.



1975 Topps


Here is perhaps the most popular set of cards from the past 40 years. There are loads of cards from this set you can't touch for prices in the guide. The idea at least how I see it is to give you some rock bottom value on most of the cards and highlight some of the better ones. >>



To clarify, I meant that the high prices in the liner notes "should be" accurate. Card #286 sold for $6,600 on 5/2/08 in a Masto auction. However, they also list #20 selling for $41K, which has to be a typo. I was trying to point out that a seller will never obtain the high prices listed for 2008-2009 as one person at the time was paying any cost to have the highest graded example of each card and I suspect (without no proof what so ever) that he was a victim of shill bidding in some of these auctions. A search of VCP for each high grade card during the 2008-2009 period will show some incredibly high prices. I pointed out that the recent Memory Lane auction would be the best source of pricing (although I agree with Maurice's recent post that auctions around x-mas suffer a drop in pricing - which I was happy to take advantage of). The original poster has over 2,000 posts so I'm assuming he knows that values listed in SMR/Beckett differ quite a bit from sales history on EBay/VCP.

Dpeck100

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<< <i>"They are never accurate on a set like this. If you look at the liner notes you will see #286 for example sold for $6,600 in 2008 in a PSA 8. It is listed at $2,200."

I would be careful of 2008 & 2009 prices for the high grade cards. SMR did an article about a guy that put the highest graded set of HOW together in one year during that period. The prices are accurate for that period, but you'll notice that prices have come way down from that period. >>





They don't try and be accurate on most sets. I highly doubt if this card sold for three times the book value the current market is lower then what is published.



1975 Topps


Here is perhaps the most popular set of cards from the past 40 years. There are loads of cards from this set you can't touch for prices in the guide. The idea at least how I see it is to give you some rock bottom value on most of the cards and highlight some of the better ones. >>



To clarify, I meant that the high prices in the liner notes "should be" accurate. Card #286 sold for $6,600 on 5/2/08 in a Masto auction. However, they also list #20 selling for $41K, which has to be a typo. I was trying to point out that a seller will never obtain the high prices listed for 2008-2009 as one person at the time was paying any cost to have the highest graded example of each card and I suspect (without no proof what so ever) that he was a victim of shill bidding in some of these auctions. A search of VCP for each high grade card during the 2008-2009 period will show some incredibly high prices. I pointed out that the recent Memory Lane auction would be the best source of pricing (although I agree with Maurice's recent post that auctions around x-mas suffer a drop in pricing - which I was happy to take advantage of). The original poster has over 2,000 posts so I'm assuming he knows that values listed in SMR/Beckett differ quite a bit from sales history on EBay/VCP. >>





That makes sense. The OP deals quite a bit in cards and is very knowledgeable in general.

PSA 7 $1,000


I just did a search of EBAY and found this card sold for $1,000 in a PSA 7. It is listed at $900 in the SMR so on this card it is fairly accurate. I think the larger discrepancies come from the lower
pop commons or cards that never really come up for sale.

What is interesting about this set from a pricing standpoint is that very few nice PSA graded examples have come up for sale recently when you look at completed listings. I just looked at the registry and several of the top collectors have their sets listed as retired so that is something to watch as well.

tsalems1

I understand what you guys are saying on the past sales and all. I have been looking in to what the cards have sold for in PSA 6,7,8.

While I know there are some lower end cards within the set, there are several very high end cards as well. I guess I need to get a good luck at the set in whole and figure out
if the asking price is where I can turn a profit after grading. I have not asked what the price is but its probably safe to say I can expect a price in the $4-$6k range and probably on the higher end of that?

ekim2528

This just ended raw. ebay 350959618765 Sorry guys. Forgot how to rename a link.

tsalems1

<< <i>This just ended raw. ebay 350959618765 Sorry guys. Forgot how to rename a link. >>



I dont think the winner of this card will be too happy. Looks like there are 2 very small holes in the card.
Shows up on the front right side and on back left side

Dboneesq

<< <i>This just ended raw. ebay 350959618765 Sorry guys. Forgot how to rename a link. >>


Here's the LINK. WOW!

jwilson6204

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<< <i>This just ended raw. ebay 350959618765 Sorry guys. Forgot how to rename a link. >>



I dont think the winner of this card will be too happy. Looks like there are 2 very small holes in the card.
Shows up on the front right side and on back left side >>



I noticed those marks as well when the card was up for auction. The seller had some other cards in the series that had the same marks. Must of been the way the original owner displayed or stored the cards.