Nolan Ryan SGC 88 / 8 for crossover?

rltexas1

Hi everyone

I am thinking of purchasing a Nolan Ryan SGC 88 / 8.

My intention is to cross it over from SGC to PSA.

From your experience will it cross over to a PSA 8? Or is there a possibility it may cross over higher?

thanks

1954

Everything is possible. In my experiences with crossovers from SGC to PSA falls totally on the centering of the card. Not so much in the Nrmt or below has this been the problem, but in PSA 8's or higher. SGC does an excellent job in grading but the centering criteria is where they differ on opinions.
Best of luck.

UnwoundSage

From my experience, it all depends on centering. I have crossed plenty of well centered SGC 88s and 92s to PSA 9s.

rltexas1

Wow .. I am just hoping for an 8. But if it crossed over to a 9 that would be amazing !

Did you send them in the SGC case .. or crack them?
I am a little reluctant to crack a case.

1954

I have always cracked the card.

wrestlingcardking

I crack them and hope for the best and most of the time I do okay.....only a few regrets.....

UnwoundSage

<< <i>Wow .. I am just hoping for an 8. But if it crossed over to a 9 that would be amazing !

Did you send them in the SGC case .. or crack them?
I am a little reluctant to crack a case. >>



Always crack. SGC are the easiest to crack and the safest on the cards. After cracking, the card tends to stick to the case inside so you have less risk of dropping the card.

TheMick6

Kind of refreshing to see someone suggest crossing a SGC card over on here and NOT be told "you have no chance!" If it could be in a PSA holder it would be blah blah. Ill just pile on to what's already been said in other posts. If the centering holds up than the chance is excellent in my opinion. I've done this numerous times paying special attention to centering and have had great success with few disappointments.

Maurice

<< <i>If the centering holds up than the chance is excellent in my opinion. I've done this numerous times paying special attention to centering and have had great success with few disappointments. >>


And what was the value of the cards you've had "great success" with?

It's easy to crossover cards that are barely worth the grading fees.

When you start playing with valuable cards, you'll find there is indeed a reason why it wasn't already in a PSA holder.

UnwoundSage

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<< <i>If the centering holds up than the chance is excellent in my opinion. I've done this numerous times paying special attention to centering and have had great success with few disappointments. >>


And what was the value of the cards you've had "great success" with?

It's easy to crossover cards that are barely worth the grading fees.

When you start playing with valuable cards, you'll find there is indeed a reason why it wasn't already in a PSA holder. >>



I've turned plenty of $50 SGC cards into $250 PSA cards. I know you weren't talking to me but thought I would add my 2 pennies.

JoeBanzai

Tried to cross (cracked it out) a beautiful SGC 92 1967 Killebrew, dead centered, no print mark behind his head super sharp corners.......................PSA 8.

Good luck, anything is possible.

Hallco

Show us the card...all card grades are not equal(even if it says so on the holder!)

TheMick6

I've had alot of success, I've crossed a 55 Aaron and got a half grade bump, crossed a SGC 88 1968 regular Brooks and had it come home a 10. I crack them out of course so there is no bias by the grader. Most of my attempts on well centered 88's have at least crossed to the same grade. More bumps than lower grades in my experience if its centered well. I mostly collect 50's and 60's stuff not newer cards. It's my opinion that SGC grades on par with PSA we've all seen mistakes in both holders. I don't just blindly send in 88's thinking they will all cross? If they are solid all over especially centering I've had great success.

rltexas1

So if you send an sgc card psa won't give at least the equal ?

TheMick6

There are plenty of nice cards in SGC holders. Is PSA the leader...... YES we all know that there's no need to say it over and over.

jackstraw

If it wasn't for those worthless cards PSA would have gone out a long time ago.....
You owe us worthless card collectors an apology...

TheMick6

There's a chance it may cross if sent in the SGC holder you have better chance in my opinion if you crack it out and send it in you just have to trust your own eyes. Do I suggest this to new collectors.... No I don't. I've been looking at, collecting, sending cards in for 30 years. I trust my eyes. I've had more success than failures. Grading is subjective though so it can backfire.

rltexas1

Ok cool.

I'll post a pic of the card if I decide to bite

Maurice

<< <i>I've turned plenty of $50 SGC cards into $250 PSA cards. I know you weren't talking to me but thought I would add my 2 pennies. >>


Thanks for your input. I'll admit I'm surprised.

Maurice

<< <i>If it wasn't for those worthless cards PSA would have gone out a long time ago..... >>


Agreed.



<< <i>You owe us worthless card collectors an apology... >>


No disrespect was intended. I was just pointing out that the game gets dirtier as the values increase.

Maurice

<< <i>I'll post a pic of the card if I decide to bite >>


I'd suggest you post a pic before you bite.

Maurice

<< <i>I've been looking at, collecting, sending cards in for 30 years. >>


Which grading service were you using in 1983?

jackstraw

<< <i>

<< <i>I've been looking at, collecting, sending cards in for 30 years. >>


Which grading service were you using in 1983? >>



lol

TheMick6

I'm come back with a clever reply but I just ain't got one! In 83 I was flipping cards and more worried about getting those last cards I couldn't pull from packs. I had no clue about grading cards until I started working at my local card shop on the weekends and summers.

rltexas1

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<< <i>I'll post a pic of the card if I decide to bite >>


I'd suggest you post a pic before you bite. >>



Here are the two I am looking at. Honestly they look nicer than some PSA 8's I have seen.

TheMick6

Just an opinion but those look accurately graded to me of course I can't see the reverse. The 7 has soft corners, hard to tell on the 8 but I hate judging cards from scans. I like to hold them and see the registration, surface, etc of the card.

TheMick6

I will say this about SGC cards and this is why I prefer holding them in hand at shows. The black insert can bite into the card and ruin it. I would never buy a card like this without a scan of the reverse no matter what holder it's in. If you buy it on eBay ask for closer scans to make sure that insert isn't butting into the card.

Maurice

In my opinion, the borders look small on the 88 and the corners look soft on the 84.

If I were to guess, I'd say the 88 comes back as trimmed and the 84 as a PSA 6.

rltexas1

I thought about it coming back as trimmed when I compared it to this

Ebay PSA 8

But wouldnt SGC mark it as trimmed?

TheMick6

No they wouldn't mark it as trimmed lol but that's a very weak 8. If I'm shelling out cash for a Ryan rookie in high grade that baby better be centered better than that. I'm talking about the Psa example you posted a link to. I personally don't think that SGC 8 is trimmed. SGC has a good reputation in the hobby it just was late to the registry party and is content to hold the pre war portion of the hobby. Psa does just as well with pre war but alot of collectors prefer SGC to PSA in that area.

gemint

It looks like the 7 has some light corner wear and maybe scuffing along the bottom edge. The 8 is a nice card but I think top-bottom centering (viewing the card as you show it) will prevent it from getting anything higher than an 8.

TheMick6

I'd say if you want it in a PSA holder find one you can live with and go with that card. I have crossed cards plenty but am willing to take that risk. Even I won't risk certain cards. I have a beautiful 54 Aaron in SGC 84 I'd like the card to be in a PSA holder for my Aaron basic set with PSA but I won't crack that one. I'd just save and get it in a PSA and have both. One day ill let PSA deny me a cross in the holder lol but I've resisted so far.

rltexas1

<< <i>No they wouldn't mark it as trimmed lol but that's a very weak 8. If I'm shelling out cash for a Ryan rookie in high grade that baby better be centered better than that. I'm talking about the Psa example you posted a link to. I personally don't think that SGC 8 is trimmed. SGC has a good reputation in the hobby it just was late to the registry party and is content to hold the pre war portion of the hobby. Psa does just as well with pre war but alot of collectors prefer SGC to PSA in that area. >>



I agree that ebay card is not good for the price. I would rather have the SGC than the PSA 8 that is really off center.

If I get the SGC card I would be happy with a PSA 8 .. and call it a day.

aconte

If you need a homer opinion, Maurice is your man.

However, a reality check might be in order.

Logical reason not in Psa holders already

aconte

TheMick6

Nope all of those are PSA 6's lol

Maurice

<< <i>If you need a homer opinion, Maurice is your man. >>


Really, aconte?



<< <i>However, a reality check might be in order. >>


If you want a reality check then lets discuss Dave Forman.

Didn't think you wanted to go there...

UnwoundSage

Sell them to me at VCP average and I will crack them.

aconte

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<< <i>If you need a homer opinion, Maurice is your man. >>


Really, aconte?



<< <i>However, a reality check might be in order. >>


If you want a reality check then lets discuss Dave Forman.

Didn't think you wanted to go there... >>



Yah ok Maurice. Your too smart for me. I give up.

aconte

Maurice

<< <i>Yah ok Maurice. Your too smart for me. I give up.

aconte >>



No need for that. We're just having a friendly discussion.

Since you seem to disagree with my opinion, but didn't state why, let me ask you: do you think the 88 looks full sized?

aconte

<< <i>

<< <i>Yah ok Maurice. Your too smart for me. I give up.

aconte >>



No need for that. We're just having a friendly discussion.

Since you seem to disagree with my opinion, but didn't state why, let me ask you: do you think the 88 looks full sized? >>



When you start playing with valuable cards, you'll find there is indeed a reason why it wasn't already in a PSA holder.

I disagree with the statement above and posted a link of numerous examples why. As soon as I did that, your best defense was mentioning Dave Foreman
as a reply. Realizing I upset you, I think it is best to let a tired subject rest.

aconte

JoeBanzai

Doubt that either will cross over to a 9. If the 88 is not undersized and you subbed it multiple times it COULD get a bump if the grader got laid the night before.

The 84 looks to have soft corners and would seem to be WAY overgraded.

I always like to point out that grading cards from scans is not a good idea. Especially if the scan isn't high quality, even then you can't check for surface problems.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

rltexas1

Additional pics

Back looks rough .. I think i am going to pass and wait for another one.

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Maurice

<< <i>I think it is best to let a tired subject rest. >>