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Goldbully's post about the "decline of the forum" got me thinking about a few things. While there were a few thought provoking comments about the decline of forums in general due to the shift to handheld devices and other time-sucks like FB---many were along the lines of we kicked out all of the good people and were are too tough of new people.
I couldn't disagree more! First of all while prolific many of the posters that were kicked off were line pushers and jerks/punks and save Coinguy1 and RWB very few ever had much productive to add. Even those two (esp RWB) would get on their self righteous horse and ride it into town not stopping to clean up its #2s (that's enough of that least I have to leave my glass house). Also I cant think of the last new poster that came here and didn't get 15000 cheesy welcomes, IMO the forum is plenty open and here is the kind of controversial part I guess.
Shouldn't there be a place were the amateurs, newbs, clueless, dimwits, bottle cap(figuratively speaking)boring and generally new collectors go? If that is the case shouldn't there be an alternative where the advanced and connected congregate who would be bored by such entry level conversations if done too often? If those are more or less true wouldn't this board be the latter or would it be the former? In concept or actual practice?
While I believe in self destination to belong where you would like, if one doesn't maintain a certain standard they should be called out on it to the point of being shunned/ignored and there is no place on earth that is all welcoming (even church) why should the forum be different. I personally chose this place because of the quality of poster over say a Coin Talk or NGC and there is still plenty of elite & thought provoking numismatic talent that broadens my enjoyment of the hobby and teaches me things I can't get other places on this board more so than anywhere else. Before people call for my head it isn't like i am not for helping others out get educated (ask anyone who has ever PM'ed me) and it isn't like we don't already do what I am talking about by calling out people who don't meet the standards be it posting, grammar, BST, content, spam or what not. I guess my question is if this board is a little snotty in holding it's self above all others and acting accordingly?
I don't think so personally as long as logic and tact are used.
I couldn't disagree more! First of all while prolific many of the posters that were kicked off were line pushers and jerks/punks and save Coinguy1 and RWB very few ever had much productive to add. Even those two (esp RWB) would get on their self righteous horse and ride it into town not stopping to clean up its #2s (that's enough of that least I have to leave my glass house). Also I cant think of the last new poster that came here and didn't get 15000 cheesy welcomes, IMO the forum is plenty open and here is the kind of controversial part I guess.
Shouldn't there be a place were the amateurs, newbs, clueless, dimwits, bottle cap(figuratively speaking)boring and generally new collectors go? If that is the case shouldn't there be an alternative where the advanced and connected congregate who would be bored by such entry level conversations if done too often? If those are more or less true wouldn't this board be the latter or would it be the former? In concept or actual practice?
While I believe in self destination to belong where you would like, if one doesn't maintain a certain standard they should be called out on it to the point of being shunned/ignored and there is no place on earth that is all welcoming (even church) why should the forum be different. I personally chose this place because of the quality of poster over say a Coin Talk or NGC and there is still plenty of elite & thought provoking numismatic talent that broadens my enjoyment of the hobby and teaches me things I can't get other places on this board more so than anywhere else. Before people call for my head it isn't like i am not for helping others out get educated (ask anyone who has ever PM'ed me) and it isn't like we don't already do what I am talking about by calling out people who don't meet the standards be it posting, grammar, BST, content, spam or what not. I guess my question is if this board is a little snotty in holding it's self above all others and acting accordingly?
I don't think so personally as long as logic and tact are used.
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Absolutely!
While I am all for being inclusive, I think that there should be a minimum level of grammar, sophistication, social skills, and willing to contribute (as well as take away).
I am not necessarily interested in engaging people who have little to contribute, cannot communicate effectively, have poor social skills, and little knowledge, and that goes for just about any area of life that I participate. No doubt, in some venues, people are not interested in engaging me for similar reasons, and that is perfectly fine, as that is how the world works.
Love the banter, even though I did not participate.
bob
"amateurs, newbs, clueless, dimwits"
can mix freely with experts
Whether they choose to learn or fight is up to them
<< <i>I do agree, but I also miss some of those arguments that went on for days!
Love the banter, even though I did not participate. >>
We still have some of that so all is not lost. Recently, we've had banter on the Carr threads, white coins threads, and "I feel sick" thread.
I think one thing for me is that many of the people that have left and are mentioned were very knowledgeable and now that knowledge and those posts aren't available on these forums. It just changes the type of conversation a bit.
WS
I will always speak my mind and expect others to do so also.
All I heard were the crickets chirping. No big deal, but definitely not the most welcoming forum I've frequented.
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When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
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<< <i>Guess I missed my "15000 cheesy welcomes"...
All I heard were the crickets chirping. No big deal, but definitely not the most welcoming forum I've frequented. >>
your avatar is scary
welcome
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<< <i>Guess I missed my "15000 cheesy welcomes"...
All I heard were the crickets chirping. No big deal, but definitely not the most welcoming forum I've frequented. >>
your avatar is scary
welcome >>
Not as scary as my dog!
Thank you, glad to be aboard.
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
if one judges on sight they will miss out on a lot of fun stuff cause they fail in seeing under that look
as for a Controversial topic not even close more like been beat to a pulp by those trying to improve things that they have no control over
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<< <i>Part of the beauty of this forum is that
"amateurs, newbs, clueless, dimwits"
can mix freely with experts
Whether they choose to learn or fight is up to them >>
I enjoy mentoring and helping bright, enthusiastic, and energetic newbies, in all walks of life. I am not interested in working with clueless dimwits, here or elsewhere. That might be about as kind as I can put it.
<< <i>as for a Controversial topic not even close more like been beat to a pulp by those trying to improve things that they have no control over >>
I can see how some might feel this way. My guess is that some don't realize, or don't care, how they come across. Of course this comes with being part of a community.
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You had me until you wrote -
"Shouldn't there be a place were the amateurs, newbs, clueless, dimwits, bottle cap(figuratively speaking)boring and generally new collectors go?"
Some say we are an "old boys club" or the like, and the above quoted statement seems to support that notion.
The terms "newb", "dimwit", "boring" and "new collector" are just not synonymous or interchangeable. And if there was such a place, from whom would they learn?
Who decides "boring"? Are the thread about spacecraft memorabilia boring? Maybe my threads are boring? Are Sainguru's reposted repeated threads about running to the Smithsonian in so many cabs to look at big ticket gold boring? I have read that several times (because it is not boring!).
IMO, in general, we need less posturing and/or divisive talk and more talk about coins (of any value).
I can't be bothered telling people HOW to talk to me. You failed to put a space after your parenthesis, someone else wrote "willing" instead of "willingness" - and that is OK.
Sure, incredibly bad spelling, all caps, or redundant posts are there - but then those posters seem not to last long. Problem solved. And we are not diminished by those posts, and we don't have to engage.
It is as always, read and respond to what you wish. Even if everyone here were "vetted" (and by whom?), it would still be...read and respond to what you wish.
Wouldn't we all rather talk about coins and the many aspects of collecting? I know I would!
Best wishes,
Eric
Would a world without "chaff" be as interesting?
<< <i>For these issues to keep arising on this forum it is indicative of a problem. If it were not for my thick skin and argumentative personality I may have found this forum a daunting and inhospitable environment to conduct my acquisition of numismatic knowledge. There are those that help freely in a pleasant open manner and those that help in a gruff, crude and obnoxious manner. That is what makes this forum interesting to me as it is open and opinions good and bad are rampantly expressed. Thank you all for your involvement in my posts, it is appreciated in the highest regard. >>
That's the way it is in the real world. There are nice folks and schmucks. There are polite folks and overbearing dorks. There are folks with good grammar and folks who talk like the just crawled out of a cave. Go to a coin show and you see the same thing. It may be unrealistic to expect a leopard to change its spots just because it posts here. These fora sort of reflect that.
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<< <i>Guess I missed my "15000 cheesy welcomes"...
All I heard were the crickets chirping. No big deal, but definitely not the most welcoming forum I've frequented. >>
Sorry
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>As you’re so offended by most of the members here why don’t you start your own forum. You can do background checks to ensure that any new member is "good" enough for his highness. And just so you can give your secretary 40 lashes there should be a space between the parentheses and the preceding and following words in your rant, of course I am sure that someone as advanced as yourself already knew that. >>
Where does the OP say he is offended? How is this a rant?
The problem we have around here is these so called "experts" who think they know everything when in reality they are clueless. Not one person on this forum knows it all about coins but a few act like they are know it all's.
I will take a "newbie" open to learning with a dose of humility over the self proclaimed "experts". I would rather help the "newbie" learn how to upload pictures from photobucket than listen to senseless drivel from self proclamed experts any day. Just because you are a national dealer or a collector with big pockets does not make you an expert. Believe me, I have dealt with a lot of idiots at coin shows over the years on both sides of the tables. I appreciated the helpful forum members who coached me on how to load a picture and what ttt meant on my first day in the forum. If someone had been a pr!ck to me, I probably would have just moved on.
Just so you know - I have been collecting coins for 35+ years and I still consider my self a newbie and I have a ton to learn. When I get to the point that I think I know it all, please slap me across the face and tell me it is time to get a new hobby.
At the end of the day, the only thing we have direct control over are own actions. Keep those in line and carry on. There's no sense in worrying about changing those things that are beyond us. If it isn't what it used to be, so what? I never knew the "good old days" here and the place suits me just fine, here and now.
Still, I'm on the verge of putting together a thread to clarify, FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL, what is meant by:
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lol
<< <i>... Still, I'm on the verge of putting together a thread to clarify, FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL, what is meant by:
its
it's
they're
their
there
lol >>
Don't forget "should have" vs. "should of"!
seems to be a waste of time and effort in making such threads cause in the end you get nowhere fast
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<< <i>My whole point is that most of us apply the logic that less is more and quality over quantity to our collections. I don't see why that logic doesn't apply to membership. >>
I can understand that.
I might suggest an oversimplified answer - "because we are all at different points in our curve, some arcing up, other holding even and others have reached their pinnacle or plateau."
The thing is, even that means different things to every one of us...
When I was younger, all I could dream of was a single Proof Walker. The notion of buying Seated Proof or Barber, or of having my work published or leasing things from my collections to museums or authors seemed beyond unthinkable. But, I did all those things. I did the 40's Proof sets too, to the best of my ability. I enjoyed them, and ultimately sold them.
Now, I am onto different things yet again
But, I still get excited when I see a $2 1939 NYWF postcard.
And now back to coins!
Eric
Edited to add the word "because"
Meanwhile we can wait for the
Don't open the threads you don't like and
Don't deal with the people you don't like
<< <i>Still, I'm on the verge of putting together a thread to clarify, FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL, what is meant by: >>
Coming from the guy who misspells genius in the second word of his post. Sorry, that one made me laugh, but in a good way
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<< <i>Most collectors want to help other collectors- >>
I really enjoy showing folks what I can with autographs and saving "newbs" $$$ which I have done here a few times
Eric
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
jeff
<< <i>Just thought I would put a coin into the thread to make it proper. >>
LIC - please share with the forum how inserting a large scale image of a portion of a coin would "make it proper" without offering some of your insight on the image or asking others for some insight on the image. Maybe, just maybe you have something of value to contribute, or may be able to learn, as you so adamantly proclaim is the reason for your presence.
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<< <i>Still, I'm on the verge of putting together a thread to clarify, FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL, what is meant by: >>
Coming from the guy who misspells genius in the second word of his post. Sorry, that one made me laugh, but in a good way
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Makes me laugh too. Or wait, should I be offended? What's the protocol?
<< <i>Where is Bongo when you really need him? >>
Bongo hurtling down road of life in rusty car with no brakes.
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others and to talk with people that have like minded interests since no one I know in my personal life would ever entertain even 5 minutes
of a coin conversation without their eyes glazing over and looking at their watch. I learned photo concepts and have also learned to read
and read and read. Maybe, one day, someone will have a post that I can actually answer with confidence.
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They are not the poster children for the "happiness is bliss" label.
They are smart enough to understand their shortcomings and frustrated beyond words at the lack of understanding of those around them when it just isn't understood that a certain capacity to comprehend just 'isn't within reach'.
Yes, it's frustrating at times..... Frustrating on both sides of the spectrum.
Did they CHOOSE to have these disabilities?
Sometimes those at the higher end of the IQ spectrum come across with an attitude that these 'dimwits' are behaving a certain way out of sheer malace when in fact that's not the case at all...
I'm as guilty as the next person in this prejudice and am constantly having to remind myself that not everyone operates under the same criteria of attempted logic that i might aspire to (on a good day).
I'm getting totally OT with this.......
Just a reminder that we're all sharing a passion and love of coins here. And that we're all coming from different capacities for understanding and perception along with our shared interests.
This place can be intimidating. Lately i've felt less and less inspired to make the effort to share my newp's...... part of that might be this stomach virus I'm fighting though.... Not sure really.
As for Facebook stealing some of the thunder?
I don't spend much time on FB and find myself spending less and less time there as time moves forward. If there are coin groups connected with it, I'm sure as heck NOT going to advertise to the FB world that I'm a coin collector!!!! Just today, my FB account was closed down as someone across the country was attempting to hack it! As far as I'm concerned people share WAY TOO MUCH of the day to day drama of their personal lives online..... But that's another gripe entirely.
I like this place. I hope I've occasionally contributed something worthwhile and educational along the way as well. If so, then it'll be some payback for all I've learned here through the sharing of others. Let's keep it working, and keep working at it.
I'll take down my soap box now....
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