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1889 5c unc Newp.....question about surfaces

DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
Picked this one up recently.

I think it's a high grade Unc, but I'm concerned about the surface of the obverse.

In the entire fields, the surface is what I can best describe as 'appearing exactly like the surface of an orange peel'.

It's not on Liberty (this surface is smooth).

'Orange peel' is a term we use for our Canadian KGV nickels (1922-1936), but I haven't seen it on the US Liberty nickels.

Is it common or has the surface been altered?

It's quite visible in the obverse picture.

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"Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭
    Sort of looks whizzed/tooled...
    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.
  • I literally don't have my eyeglasses on and from what I can see that photo looks dark, but I recall when I collected V5C 20 years ago several of my MS coins had orange peel finish others had a very hard finish. I also remember light staining on a lot of coins I looked at.

    Eric
  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the orange peel surfaces don't extend onto the stars, I would say it's not messed with. It would be difficult if not impossible to alter the fields all the way into the inner corners of the stars as it
    appears in your pics. FWIW, I think your coin is not altered.
  • highwayman1highwayman1 Posts: 107 ✭✭✭
    Assuming those aren't cleaning hairlines on reverse, she looks like a nice MS64... but what is that smudge on the reverse, under the IT of UNITED?

    Definitely not whizzed.

    "He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
    When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
    "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
    For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
    "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
    http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If the orange peel surfaces don't extend onto the stars, I would say it's not messed with. It would be difficult if not impossible to alter the fields all the way into the inner corners of the stars as it
    appears in your pics. FWIW, I think your coin is not altered. >>



    Yea, I feel silly for not thinking of that myself.

    I'm now thinking it's definitely not messed with.....hope the graders feel the same way!!
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Assuming those aren't cleaning hairlines on reverse, she looks like a nice MS64... but what is that smudge on the reverse, under the IT of UNITED?

    Definitely not whizzed. >>



    Under the 'IT' is a small reddish-brown dirt mark (rust??).
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • highwayman1highwayman1 Posts: 107 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Assuming those aren't cleaning hairlines on reverse, she looks like a nice MS64... but what is that smudge on the reverse, under the IT of UNITED?

    Definitely not whizzed. >>



    Under the 'IT' is a small reddish-brown dirt mark (rust??). >>



    Perhaps a bath is in order.

    "He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
    When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
    "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
    For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
    "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
    http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is very difficult to make a call based on the photo of the obverse. What I can tell you is that what I can see I don't like.

    There is probably a reason why it is raw.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,768 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not my series, however this date is available in a high grade

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