Craigslist Fake PCGS 1889-cc?

vpr

Price is too good to be true. The lettering on the slab just doesn't look right to me.

Craigslist

telephoto1

Looks like an Asian fake coin and holder.

CrustyGold

EDIT: OBVIOUSLY FAKE NOW..

This is the coin on heritage:

Heritage Link

vpr

That could just be the lighting. The pic on CL is awful. Notice the spacing between P & C. It's way off.

CaptHenway

Coin looks too good to be true.

vpr

Also, the coin seems to have rotated a bit in the slab. Is this known to happen? I can't imagine someone tossing the slab around, considering how expensive it is.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>I think it's real.

This is the coin on heritage:

Heritage Link




Notice the haze in the left obverse stars and a little in the right obverse stars also appear in the craigslist ad.

It's 100% real IMO. >>



I 100% feel sorry for whomever buys that coin…That coin has more luster than an AU58…FAKE FAKE FAKE IMO.

Erik

coin22lover

<< <i>That could just be the lighting. The pic on CL is awful. Notice the spacing between P & C. It's way off. >>




Good call, I see that too

AUandAG

copied from a VAM3 far date.

But,alas, I do not think it's the real deal.


bob

BustCuds

the certification numbers are in different positions over the bar codes.

LanceNewmanOCC

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this line of counterfeit coin has that dusty aka hazy look as someone else mentioned. the letter spacing is key as well. heard a lot of commentary from others that the insert has a "purple-ish" tint to it which i do concur with but is not the primary feature i use but it is reliable thus far to use.
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Brol

bar code spacing at the right is way off too..

DennisH

Fake and obviously not the same coin sold by Heritage.

Wolf359

<< <i>bar code spacing at the right is way off too.. >>



Yeah! First thing I noticed. Start at the right side and compare.
Scam, run away.

vpr

Also notice that in the barcode after the first two thick lines on the left, there are 3 skinny lines together in the fake vs only 2 in the real one. His initial ad mentioned that he would prefer to meet at a coin shop, so the authenticity of the coin can be verified.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

FWIW…I just used my iPhone to run the search scan from the CoinFacts app and it immediately scanned the HA coin and did NOT scan the fake…Pretty cool that it can scan from a computer screen

Erik

dlmtorts

Look at the bar code under the last digit (5) in the certification number. Clearly different slabs, IMO.

donzme

On the suspect slab, the bar code lines are too tall, and the coin is too lustrous to be a 50.

lostincoins

Yep just used a barcode scanner they are different. This is a complete fake. Thanks Bob for helping me see these better.

AUandAG

Should I send this?:


Your dollar and slab are fakes. The gig is up friend. I'll wait till tomorrow morning before calling the police.
You can explain to them how it is real. I'll send them a photo of the real coin in a real PCGS slab. Let's see you talk your way out
of that. $3500? Is that still a misdemeanor in Chicago?

coindeuce

Craigslist coin/holder absolutely counterfeit.
I've pointed out an easy tell on these before. The stacking tabs on the Craigslist coin holder are sharply squared. A genuine PCGS capsule has these stacking tabs radiused.

AUandAG

Well, I'm so tactful. Just sent.

bob

vpr

<< <i>Should I send this?:


Your dollar and slab are fakes. The gig is up friend. I'll wait till tomorrow morning before calling the police.
You can explain to them how it is real. I'll send them a photo of the real coin in a real PCGS slab. Let's see you talk your way out
of that. $3500? Is that still a misdemeanor in Chicago? >>



I wonder if that will scare him into deleting the ad. Maybe, he'll just move it to Ebay.

vpr

<< <i>Well, I'm so tactful. Just sent.

bob >>



I contacted him too, asking if he'd be willing to meet at Harlan Berk. Doubt I'll hear back from him.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

…Call and tell him that your Abe Froman "sausage king of Chicago"



Erik

lostincoins

That is such a great Idea I just might do it lol

CrustyGold

Actually, you guys are right. Barcode doesnt match at all.

vpr

This is just getting better. He has another 1889cc AU50, he's looking to sell.

1889cc

DennisH

<< <i>This is just getting better. He has another 1889cc AU50, he's looking to sell.

1889cc >>



Sold by Heritage in 2006. And once again it is clearly not the same coin.

AUandAG

Here's the real one:

AUandAG

Someone in Chicago ought to call the police and see if they have a department that investigates
crimes such as this. Here's the number (non emergency): 744-4000


bob

vpr

<< <i>Someone in Chicago ought to call the police and see if they have a department that investigates
crimes such as this. Here's the number (non emergency): 744-4000


bob >>



Chicago PD has better things to worry about. I learnt my lesson when i was dealing with that scammer who ripped me off on here for $800. I will give them a call tomorrow and see if they can do anything about it, although I doubt it.

messydesk

Our hosts would be more interested in knowing who's selling counterfeit stuff than the Chicago PD.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>Our hosts would be more interested in knowing who's selling counterfeit stuff than the Chicago PD. >>



In any other city I would agree...but in Chicago, I wouldn't be surprised if the police department got their cut from these coins when they sell. So I think they would be extremely interested in who owes them their vig. Hands down, one of the utmost corrupt city's in our country for sure. Please don't ask me how I know this; because I'm not telling

Edited to add: Miami is a close 2nd

Erik

AUandAG

Here's his reply along with this pic:

u need 2 tell whoever the fruck ur gunna tell whatever the fruck ur going 2 tell them asap. here is my ip address britch
212.83.151.26

im close 2 the top. i can barely see the ground. fruck 1 time i drove through ur city and people thought it was a fruckin parade. ive been going hard 4 so long i cant stop. its all about the money and the power. here is what i got in 3 seperate packages sent from the USA.

u cant do anything 2 me and that is the way it will be until u die. i am above u.




On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:37 AM, craigslist reply b0e0 <b0e0e9659ed73c0a934a28b449203eb1@reply.craigslist.org> wrote:


edited: I added an R to several words.

lostincoins

Forward ad and response to Secret Service and NSA as this can now be considered a homeland security issue. He has stated he is moving across borders!!!!

DennisH

And be sure to copy the IRS.

AUandAG

Perhaps you could alert them to this thread? I find no emails associated with the NSA or SS.

bob

AUandAG

I can find no way to contact the NSA or SS via email. Since I'm in Vegas and he's in Chicago perhaps
someone can call the locals and refer them to this thread?

bob

AUandAG

So, now he has another email address I use. Guy knows his stuff and now he sent me this (to the diff address).
Calling himself King Joey....Appears he likes selling fake PCGS slabs.


PCGS coins 4 sale ---- if ur interested bobbi
King Joey
To Me
Today at 8:32 AM
ok bobbi so im so good at network security but i dont secure networks i break them. i dont have a facebook account but i take them. how often do u use this e mail ole chap? u know in all honesty i just dont have time 2 play with u because im addicted 2 work, 24/7 im making money even if u try 2 stop me u cant bobbi

i have so much money i just throw away laptops if i think they are compromised. but i can tell u arnt any1 that can violate my security. ur just a fool doing what fools do

bobbi guess what? i changed my ip address now its 37.130.227.133

thats out of the UK for ur info...............haha i change my ip address 2 anything i want hahah

telephoto1

Both listings in question have been deleted, supposedly by the author. If he's such a no-fear badazz then why would he delete them?

AUandAG

<< <i>Both listings in question have been deleted, supposedly by the author. If he's such a no-fear badazz then why would he delete them? >>




I don't think he fears us, but he might fear the SS or the long arm of the law.

bob

vpr

I contacted him as a clueless buyer. Asked if he'd meet at a coin shop. He responded saying that it sold. And now, I got another email from him with Bob's post from this thread. He is either a member or a guest here. He had the gall to email me Bob's post like I did something wrong by posting the ad here. Shameless crooks.

blacksmoke

He seems to love sending the colorful emails. Here's mine and his response:

Hi. Not sure if you know and I hope you don't, but your 1889CC Morgan is a complete fake. If you do sell it and get caught, it is a felony with a 10 year minimum mandatory sentence in federal prison. Just thought you should know and if you would like, I will point out the evidence of it being fake.

how about u keep ur evidence 2 urself i dont believe u its real and u best believe its gunna be of the streets of ur city along with dozens more coins that are also, all real. can u just imagine 1 day sitting at home, not having an escalade(u know they are redesigning the escalade for 2015 now i gotta trade my f***in 2013 in), not having high dollar prostitutes, not having the best drugs money can buy, not having the ps4 b4 the official release date, not having influence. then imagine when u say F**K being broke. then u wake up and look at the s**t in this picture and know uve made it.

ill be super high...i sent this from the IP address 212.83.151.26

He sent me the pic of the "money" too.
I think I can actually smell the meth lab on this email!

DennisH

He doesn't appear to have majored in English in school.

vpr

<< <i>He seems to love sending the colorful emails. Here's mine and his response:

Hi. Not sure if you know and I hope you don't, but your 1889CC Morgan is a complete fake. If you do sell it and get caught, it is a felony with a 10 year minimum mandatory sentence in federal prison. Just thought you should know and if you would like, I will point out the evidence of it being fake.

how about u keep ur evidence 2 urself i dont believe u its real and u best believe its gunna be of the streets of ur city along with dozens more coins that are also, all real. can u just imagine 1 day sitting at home, not having an escalade(u know they are redesigning the escalade for 2015 now i gotta trade my f***in 2013 in), not having high dollar prostitutes, not having the best drugs money can buy, not having the ps4 b4 the official release date, not having influence. then imagine when u say F**K being broke. then u wake up and look at the s**t in this picture and know uve made it.

ill be super high...i sent this from the IP address 212.83.151.26

He sent me the pic of the "money" too.
I think I can actually smell the meth lab on this email! >>



His communication with me sounded nothing like that and neither does his ad.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

The streets are super mean in Chicago...you can bet this goon will be on the wrong side of a pistol one day soon...it's pretty much inevitable. Since this thread was started, there have probably been close to 20 murders committed in Chi-town. Let's hope that he stops responding to your emails and he makes the Darwin awards list and is murder victim #21

Erik

telephoto1

By the way...the whole changing IP address thing isn't a big deal. He's using a random IP scrambler called Tor...It's open source and used for private browsing, etc. Any nimrod can use it.
What he doesn't know is that he can still be traced.

CrustyGold

<< <i>By the way...the whole changing IP address thing isn't a big deal. He's using a random IP scrambler called Tor...It's open source and used for private browsing, etc. Any nimrod can use it.
What he doesn't know is that he can still be traced. >>



It isn't necessarily that, but if you google "proxy" you can download thousands of them, which change your IP.

And are easily traceable, I should mention.

Any dimwit could use a proxy, obvious this guy isn't the smartest.

droopyd

<< <i>Should I send this?:


Your dollar and slab are fakes. The gig is up friend. I'll wait till tomorrow morning before calling the police.
You can explain to them how it is real. I'll send them a photo of the real coin in a real PCGS slab. Let's see you talk your way out
of that. $3500? Is that still a misdemeanor in Chicago? >>



Why bother?

lostincoins

lasectf@einformation.usss.gov
this is an email to forward info and make a claim. Secret Service.