Large Cent Question

MICHAELDIXON

This question is about a 1796 Bust large cent. What does it mean N-9? I am not at home with my references and wanted to know.
Thank you in advance.

mdwoods

Just speculating but perhaps they mean non collectible r9?

Coin Finder

I believe the N refers to Howard R Newcomb

CoinZip

MICHAELDIXON

I understand the N is for Newcomb, but what does the N-9 for this year stand for? What is the variety, etc associated with N-9?

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I understand the N is for Newcomb, but what does the N-9 for this year stand for? What is the variety, etc associated with N-9? >>



the n-9 doesn't refer to a variety in the contemporary sense like fs-901 or the like.

it refers to an obv/rev combination (marriage) n-1 is one marriage, n-2 is another etc.
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Coin Finder

Dont have a cross referance....If you can put up a picture I can tell you what it is...

Is there a heavy die break across the drapery at the point of the bust?

Alltheabove76

S-110?

LoveMyLiberty

When Dr. Sheldon first wrote about large cents, he devised the term Non-Collectible for those coins
with three or less known. As more of a given variety were attributed, the NC changed to Now Collectible.
They remained labeled NC, but the meaning changed.

As a new Non Collectible variety was discovered it was assigned a number, each listed successively higher.

This information is from the Wes Rasmussen Collection catalog of the FUN Sig. Auct. #360 of January 13, 2005.

Where did you see a 1796 DB cent designated N-9?


From Heritage Auctions Numismatic Glossary:

Numismatic Glossary


Non-Collectible: Term used by Dr. William Sheldon to describe a variety of Large Cent so rare as to be virtually impossible to obtain. These varieties, rather than having a Sheldon number such as S-43, are cataloged today with an NC number such as NC-1. Unlike Sheldon numbers, NC numbers correspond only to the date of the coin, so it is possible for several different dates to have, for example, an NC-1 variety. In the nearly 60 years since the initial publication of Penny Whimsy, some supposedly non-collectible varieties have been determined to not be as rare as Dr. Sheldon thought, so it is quite possible for an NC variety to have a lower rarity rating than a variety that has a Sheldon number.

Aegis3

I really don't know what it would refer to. The familiar Newcomb numbers are for large cents 1816 and later. I'm not sure what the pre-Sheldon numbering systems for 1796's would be, but even if Newcomb was involved with them, I don't think that "N-9" would be consistent with however such a system worked. NC numbers don't get called "N" and in any case for 1796 makes it only up to NC-7. Any more context?

Walkerguy21D

The OP's post wasn't clear to me what he is after......as Aegis3 explained.
Guessing some misinformation or a typo was given to the OP about this particular coin?

rays

AFAIK there is no N-9 1796 draped bust large cent variety.

Here are the 1796 DB varities:

Varieties (35):
Reverse of 1794
Sheldon 101 - Rare
Sheldon 102 - Very Scarce
Sheldon 106 - Rare
Sheldon 107 - Very Rare
Sheldon 108 - Scarce
Sheldon 109 - Scarce
Sheldon 110 - Common
Sheldon 111 - Rare
Sheldon 112 - Rare
Sheldon NC-5 - 7 known

Reverse of 1795
Sheldon 92 - Scarce
Sheldon 93 - Scarce
Sheldon 95 - Very Rare
Sheldon 96 - Very Rare
Sheldon 97 - Scarce
Sheldon 98 - Very Scarce
Sheldon 99 - Rare
Sheldon 116 - Rare
Sheldon NC-2 - 7 known
Sheldon NC-4 - Very Rare

Reverse of 1797
Sheldon 94 - Rare
Sheldon 100 - Rare
Sheldon 104 - Scarce
Sheldon 105 - Rare
Sheldon 113 - Rare
Sheldon 114 - Rare
Sheldon 115 - Very Scarce
Sheldon 117 - Rare
Sheldon 118 - Rare
Sheldon 119 - Scarce
Sheldon NC-1 - Very Rare
Sheldon NC-3 - Very Rare
Sheldon NC-6 - 2 known

LIHERTY
Sheldon 103 - Scarce

Stemless Reverse
Sheldon NC-7 - Unique

Of the four RedBook varieties of 1796 DB cents, the 1796 rev of '97 is by my experience the scarcest in circulated grades. The Nichols horde* of S-119 1796 rev of '97 uncirculated cents skews the populations.

*From Heritage:


Dr. Sheldon discussed the Nichols Find at length in Penny Whimsy: "Some time before 1863 there was dispersed a quantity of Mint State 1796 and 1797 cents, probably numbering as many as a thousand in all, which are traced to a bag brought in December 1797 from the Mint to his daughters by one Benjamin Goodhue, formerly of the Continental Congress. The name of Nichols Find was attached to these coins in the eighteen sixties and apparently arises from the fact that they were the property of the Nichols Family at the time of their dispersal to collectors, perhaps just prior to 1863. According to report, David Nichols of Gallows Hill, near Salem, Mass., passed them out at face value." Earlier, Walter Breen reported on these coins and this hoard in the January 1952 issue of The Numismatist. It is believed that all of these coins were minted in late 1797 and that they represented the first shipment of Boulton planchets from England

kookoox10

A little tidbit of info regarding what the OP is looking for. Some copper enthusiasts refer to N or K as the position on the coin that is similar to clock hands. In the OP's example, N-9 refers to the 9 o'clock position of the coin, usually referring to a diagnostic like a die crack or other flaw for a specific Sheldon designation. Large cents for sale by guys like Shawn Yancey will refer to not only the Sheldon attribution, but any other diagnostic using the "N" or "K"positioning to make it easier for buyers to understand the variety. It's a relatively new addition to the whole classification system for this early stuff, they're even starting to use it in Coronet and Braided hair cents for the Newcombs. Hope this helps