Has Anyone Seen an OGH "Washboard" Style Label? -- Photo Added!

GeorgeKellogg

I have seen multiple coins on the bourse floor with a PCGS OGH similar to PCGS holder Type 4 in the attached thread.

PCGS Holder History Thread

Here is a photo of holder Type 4 from the thread and the accompanying description:



"PCGS 4 This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yelow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995."

The difference in the holders that I'm referring to is that the label has a "washboard" appearance, with stripes running vertically up and down on the label (see photo below). Does anyone know if this is a sub-variety of PCGS holder type or has the label been damaged? It almost looks like the label was glued down, with the glue being applied in these vertical stripes. On the ones I recently saw, there were five vertical stripes on the label.

I was hoping that some of our PCGS holder experts could chime in as to what is going on with this type of label. A dealer told me that this type of label was in effect for several months, then quickly replaced.

Edited to correct a typo. Edited again to add description of Type 4 holder.

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steveben

are you concerned about the authenticity of the holder in question or just whether or not it's an uncommon variety?

i don't think the labels are glued down at all...are they? i thought they are just loose.

GeorgeKellogg

<< <i>are you concerned about the authenticity of the holder in question or just whether or not it's an uncommon variety?

i don't think the labels are glued down at all...are they? i thought they are just loose. >>



I don't have a photo right now, but I'll look for one.

This appears to be the first OGH, after the rattler holder was replaced. The vertical stripes are very uniform and equally spaced. I'm wondering if PCGS tried an adhesive for the label when they first replaced the rattler holder, but it caused the label to wrinkle with these vertical stripes, so they quit doing it.

I'm not concerned about authenticity, as I looked at the coins and they were in the cases of respected dealers. One coin was a $20 Saint, graded MS61, and it was clearly genuine and conservatively graded.

GeorgeKellogg

The Attach File feature doesn't seem to be working, so I couldn't upload a photo of the "washboard" OGH. I did eMail the photo to PCGS Customer Service, so we'll see what they say.

Manorcourtman

The Washboard posted for GK:

LanceNewmanOCC

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i see what you are talking about

could just be humidity or the opposite meaning some type of moisture, perhaps even in the paper itself at the time of slabbing then evaporation made it "crinkle"

now if a bunch "crinkled" exactly the same, that would be an entirely different story. i'll post pics to this thread if i see any and/or remember to look
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MsMorrisine

Wrinkles

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GeorgeKellogg

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nm

i see what you are talking about

could just be humidity or the opposite meaning some type of moisture, perhaps even in the paper itself at the time of slabbing then evaporation made it "crinkle"

now if a bunch "crinkled" exactly the same, that would be an entirely different story. i'll post pics to this thread if i see any and/or remember to look
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The odd part is that they're all this first OGH label (with the distinctive font and without the "PCGS-Copying Prohibited" warning on the reverse of the cert label). The stripes are of uniform thickness and spacing. At a recent show I saw two with this same washboard style label, at different dealer tables.

DaveG

If your color balance is correct, that looks like the OGH "yellow" label (that is, the green labels with the unstable color).

Perhaps when the label's color de-stabilized, the change made the paper label contract and "crinkle"?

TireKicker

Looks like Moisture to me

GeorgeKellogg

<< <i>Looks like Moisture to me >>



Drawing upon my background as a NASA Materials Engineer, moisture might account for a wrinkled or wavy label, but not for a label that contains uniformly spaced ridges of equal width.

Billet7

Inferior paper exposed to moisture or some other external variable. I don't know what "ridges" you refer to, but paper will wrinkle or wave in a predictable fashon. The paper is wavy in the long direction, which is what I would expect. Paper absorbs moisture much like a sponge, the edges dry at a different rate than the center, these dynamic stresses cause the paper to wrinkle. This could have happened during the printing process, the ink may have introduced enough moisture into the center of the paper that it caused a disparity in the paper moisture content across the sheet. It may also have been an external introduction of moisture. I lean toward the printing as the cause, humid paper put under the constraint of being sandwiched in the holder could easily cause what I'm seeing. The equally spaced lettering might account for the specific frequency of the waves in addition to the grain width and length specific to this paper. Paper shrinks more along the length of the grain as opposed to the width, this would depend on the orientation of the grain. Also it usually waves along the longest sides.

I would be curious to see a group of these, and compare the type and quality of the paper and ink, perhaps this is one of the reasons for a change in holders and/or tags. Perhaps "Wavy" is a holder sub-type because of a specific paper used!