My 1816 Large Cent

I've been working on trying to attribute my 1816 Large in VG.From the pictures I saw of the various Newcomb varieties for 1816 LC,I'm seing that my coin doesn't match any of them.
All of the attributed-by-Newcomb variety Large Cents used in the images have a very distinct dot between "ONE" and "CENT." I can find no evidence on my 1816 Large Cent that there ever was a dot between "ONE" and "CENT." Even though the coin is only VG,I still hould be able to see a dot.
New Variety here? 1816 "No Dot"?
All of the attributed-by-Newcomb variety Large Cents used in the images have a very distinct dot between "ONE" and "CENT." I can find no evidence on my 1816 Large Cent that there ever was a dot between "ONE" and "CENT." Even though the coin is only VG,I still hould be able to see a dot.
New Variety here? 1816 "No Dot"?
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It so happens there are 9 known Newcomb varieties for 1816 Large Cents.
I noticed the dot in the images I saw first thing.Every single Newcomb variety for 1816 has a dot.Then I look for the dot on my coin and find none.More importantly,no evidence can be see that there ever was a dot on my '16.
Anyone here up on Early American Copper?
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
If anyone here has images of an 1816 N-1,feel free to post it here.By the time I got to N-4,I had noticed N-2 and N-3 had the dot and so do the rest of the Newcomb varieties for 1816.
I realize my images are fuzzy but I can't fix that until I get new camera.
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Also,I don't see a dot on the second 1816 either.Would the dot have once been there between the "ONE" and "CENT" and have worn away on our coins?
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Leaf diagnostics D - C, S - PC, F - NR, C - NR
center, past center, near right
Also on most die states except really early the dentils are merged below left ribbon
E in States is high - also E is tilted a hair left
Is it true that most copper guys don't want their coins in a slab?
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<< <i>thanks joecopper.Now I understand why grading service gets handome amount for attributing by die variety.
Is it true that most copper guys don't want their coins in a slab? >>
imo it is a combination of don't want/don't need
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Handle these delightful coins with care and everything will be fine.
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What's up with the dot on early Large Cents?
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Why do some show it and others don't? Not really sure - I'd surmise is some cases the dots were burnished off, or later lapping of the dies reduced or eliminated them altogether. Maybe some engravers made very small dots that easily wore off - either from the die with time, or
from the coins, through circulation. Hopefully some more knowledgeable guys will chime in and educate all of us!
<< <i>From what I've read, center dots are put in the die by the engraver as a means to use a compass to rule out the positions of peripheral letters, stars, etc. Recall that on these early coins, only the center images were 'hubbed', all the outside images were later added by hand punching.
Why do some show it and others don't? Not really sure - I'd surmise is some cases the dots were burnished off, or later lapping of the dies reduced or eliminated them altogether. Maybe some engravers made very small dots that easily wore off - either from the die with time, or
from the coins, through circulation. Hopefully some more knowledgeable guys will chime in and educate all of us! >>
So...it is not unlike the CNC hole under a MIJ or MIM Fender pick guard?
Eric
Here's another N6 to compare yours to.
Lance.
For kicks, look at some of the high grade early quarters in the upcoming Heritage auction.
Lance,thanks for the great image of 1816 N-6. Trade you straight across,i pay for all shipping,mine without the dot for yours with the dot.
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