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BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭✭
Is there anything in the Green label holder that is harmful to the coin? Just wondering if anyone has any experience with PCI holders, specifically the older ones.
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  • In all the old green PCI holders and in a few Hallmark holders which is where PCI
    originally acquired them I never thought the label was the factor for the toning of
    the encased coin. I thought the white soft plastic insert caused the toning. I maybe
    wrong about this but it has been my understanding and beliefs ever since I had my
    first ones graded by PCI. The green holders that I have and have seen all ways tend to
    have very detrimental effect on coins versus the gold holders that cause a more appealing
    toning.

  • TJM965TJM965 Posts: 446 ✭✭✭

    I bought 5 - 1909 VDB MS64 Red cents in Hallmark (PCI) holders many years ago. They are now ugly browns. Hope the slabs are
    worth something someday.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,683 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The green holders that I have and have seen all ways tend to
    have very detrimental effect on coins versus the gold holders that cause a more appealing
    toning. >>

    Which is too bad, considering it's the other way 'round with the grading.

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  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I bought 5 - 1909 VDB MS64 Red cents in Hallmark (PCI) holders many years ago. They are now ugly browns. Hope the slabs are
    worth something someday. >>



    It's hard to know if this issue is due to coins having had their color improved before grading or if the holder did this on its own.
    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • interesting...thank you for the info...
    All the best,

    Rob

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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    These holders were reissued a few years back with loose grading standards, same as PCI gold. Avoid. It's all overgraded crap.
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue. >>



    Agree. The early 10 digit serial numbered PCI slabbed coins were conservatively graded and will typically cross to PCGS or NGC slabs with the occasional upgrade.

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  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue. >>



    Agree. The early 10 digit serial numbered PCI slabbed coins were conservatively graded and will typically cross to PCGS or NGC slabs with the occasional upgrade. >>



    there are still some great coins in those old slabs.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue. >>



    Agree. The early 10 digit serial numbered PCI slabbed coins were conservatively graded and will typically cross to PCGS or NGC slabs with the occasional upgrade. >>



    there are still some great coins in those old slabs. >>


    Shhhh. That was supposed to be a secret.imageimage



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  • Bankerbob56Bankerbob56 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭
    I have two PCI green label slabs, both of which are the ten digit variety. A DDO Washington quarter and a SAE. Both are stored in the same place (locked in a Fire King at a bank) and both are absolutely beautifully toned.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.....

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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue. >>



    You know Frank, a lot of people got burned when the holders were re-issued because they looked the same. I was one of the people who raised a ruckus to stop the reissue BECAUSE they were identical. Where were you?
    If you claim to be able to tell them apart, at least share some photographic proof. And you too, Perry Hall.

  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    BTW, here is my proof - an email from the horses mouth. PCI went to the new font after complaints.

    To jack@jackleecoins.com
    Nov 19, 2010
    Dear Jack

    I Kevin McNerney Did buy PCI From David Lawrence a few months ago and i along with a group of graders with the idea to try to bring the old service back. I realize this is more work then I can handle so I’m now in negotiations to sell PCI to a new owner who has the experience and resources to run this company. I know a lot of negative talk exist on the internet about fake PCI Slabs and grading . I assure the coin community that is not the case. PCI is making changes to the holders so they have a obvious new look and not to be confused with the old holders. I also have no interest NTC (Sold in 2001 to Gary Striche in south Florida), and sold NYcoinmart and all other coin selling venues ie:Ebay Amazon, Google Overstock teletrade ect. My Company is UA America Inc. H58 on CCE and I only sell wholesale and PCGS and NGC and some ICG and nice raw coins. And I have no involvement in selling PCI coins to the public. If you have any questions Please email me at

    ---------@gmail.com
    Phone xxx-xxx-xxxx
    Thanks
    Kevin
    UA America Inc. CCE h58


    Frank, I want you banned from the board for personally attacking me and calling me a liar.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue. >>



    You know Frank, a lot of people got burned when the holders were re-issued because they looked the same. I was one of the people who raised a ruckus to stop the reissue BECAUSE they were identical. Where were you?
    If you claim to be able to tell them apart, at least share some photographic proof. And you too, Perry Hall. >>



    I didn't realize the newest PCI slabs were identical to the first generation of PCI slabs. I know this company changed ownership numerous times and the old green label slabs had serial numbers that went from 10 to 14 and then to 9 before going to the gold label. I guess you need to treat coins in these slabs as if they were raw and actually look at the coin and decide if it lives up to the grade indicated on the label. Of course, I do this with all slabs but with some bands of slabs I look more carefully than with others.

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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
    Larry

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Idhair---Thanks for the pics. The only difference is the fonts. What do the back of the labels look like?

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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think conder101 posted the image here years ago. They were both 10 digit slabs.
    Larry

  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i> Avoid. It's all overgraded crap. >>



    The original 10 digit slabs are easily distinguished from the reissued ones, which have the incorrect font. Such a simplistic
    proclamation stated as fact is unwarranted as well as untrue. >>



    You know Frank, a lot of people got burned when the holders were re-issued because they looked the same. I was one of the people who raised a ruckus to stop the reissue BECAUSE they were identical. Where were you?
    If you claim to be able to tell them apart, at least share some photographic proof. And you too, Perry Hall. >>



    I posted a warning and photos here on 11/13/2010 -- 3 years ago -- from this post on rec.collecting.coins. Link

    But my warnings on the PCGS board were deleted along with a warning from a moderator not to say anything bad abut Kevin McNerney who was the owner of the PCI trademark when these coins started showing up enmasse on eBay being sold by NYCOINMART which was also affiliated with McNerney

    Notice one of the messages in the rec.collecting.coins link is

    The thread about these on the Collectors Universe message board has
    been deleted.

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=787673&STARTPAGE=2

    Why is PCGS trying to cover up this?

    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com

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