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Fake 1895-o dime in a fake pcgs ms-63 holder

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes,, it's a fake. HA sold the real on back in March 2009. Barcode is not correct for starters.

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    Font is all wrong. Definitely fake.

    -Paul
    Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dang,

    Yall scared me when I read the title, I just bought the pcgs 63 from the last sale, and hadn't recieved it yet, should be here tomorrow. Had Heritage hold up shipment till I got back in town from visiting my son down in Fl.

    The one I bought was in a OGH.

    jim

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is not good. PCGS - we need an all hologram holder
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree this is worrisome. These seem to be showing up with increasing frequency.
  • I would think the hard part is making the coin. Easy part is a simple injection mold to mass produce the holders and the labels can be done on any printer. PCGS might need to adopt some measures like our good old GOV has on our currency and put safeguards into place for authentication.
    Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    jeff
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. Check this out in the desc. They are getting bolder:

    << <i>Actual PCGS certification for this coin can be seen at pcgs.com/Cert/13018130/ >>

  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would think the hard part is making the coin. Easy part is a simple injection mold to mass produce the holders and the labels can be done on any printer. PCGS might need to adopt some measures like our good old GOV has on our currency and put safeguards into place for authentication. >>



    They have been...for some years now. New holders, online cert with photos of the coin, etc.
  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow. Check this out in the desc. They are getting bolder:

    << <i>Actual PCGS certification for this coin can be seen at pcgs.com/Cert/13018130/ >>

    >>



    It might be possible that the seller thinks it is the same coin, however I suspect not due to the blurry photos.
  • Well, in all fairness, she does need this money for her son's college fund. I wonder if he's studying to be a numismatist?
    Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    jeff
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,833 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Wow. Check this out in the desc. They are getting bolder:

    << <i>Actual PCGS certification for this coin can be seen at pcgs.com/Cert/13018130/ >>

    >>



    It might be possible that the seller thinks it is the same coin, however I suspect not due to the blurry photos. >>




    Poppykock--The seller knows exactly what she is doing.

    reported
    image
  • I am very tired of all the fake coins in holders out there. For us people that are just getting serious about collecting or selling it makes it very hard because we do not always see that something is fake.image
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree the bar code does not match the photo on the PCGS Cert page.

    imageimage
    ebay fake on left, Heritage genuine on right
    Just compare the bar or gap under the period in 4807.63 to see the difference.
    It is a "fat bar" on this fake, and a "gap" on the Heritage.

    I believe the PCGS Cert photos make it easy to pretend you have the coin,
    either by using that photo in an ad, or by using it to create a reproduction of the label.

    For security, there should be a unique "private ID" the public cert photo **does not show**.
    The private ID should only be available to people with a PCGS member login, and when a PCGS member looks at that private ID info,
    their account number is logged.
  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I feel better about rarely buying slabbed coins. I just love the gamble of buying raw and submitting directly from my hands to our host. Yes, some come back as cleaned or a grade lower than desired, but I truly know that my plastic is REAL along with the coin in it image

    Erik
  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great job OP. I would like to maybe get together with others, select a series and dedicate an hour or so per day combing Ebay for fakes. Create our own counterfeit detection task force and make it difficult for the fraudsters. I'm doing 5-10 fake Morgans everyday and at least 2 or 3 in fake holders per week. Others have said it's just the norm, fakes have been around since money was first struck and I'm taking it to serious.
    World coins FSHO Hundreds of successful BST transactions U.S. coins FSHO
  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes,, it's a fake. HA sold the real on back in March 2009. Barcode is not correct for starters.

    bobimage >>



    Interesting to note that the auction refers to the 2009 PCGS price guide value for this coin.

    But this is really scary for the uninitiated. Someone can "prove" to them that it is "real" via the certification lookup.

    Joe.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,070 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This is not good. PCGS - we need an all hologram holder >>




    they already fake the holo stickers, although those new holo strips in the new $100s would be good -- a technological hurdle not yet conquered.



    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,070 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am very tired of all the fake coins in holders out there. For us people that are just getting serious about collecting or selling it makes it very hard because we do not always see that something is fake.image >>




    stick around, you'll eventually be able to spot the fake holders eventually.

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reported.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sent the seller a question. Ill be curious to their response.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the response to what's the history of this dime:

    Dear greatbasincoins,

    I received it from my older son. He had purchased it from a local private party.. He'd had it a while before I got it...not sure how long. Now my other son is headed to college and I need the money. We took it to a local coin dealer to get their opinion on it. Real deal. I know that PCGS is reputable too and that the slab was not altered.

    - jelwyoming

    PS: I've changed by Ebay ID from bobandlinda1 to greatbasincoins (for those that might be confused).
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • here are the responses from them to me:
    I don't know about that. We bought it local and had it checked at a local coin dealer who seid it was real. Do you want to withdraw your bid?
    I appreciate the comments. I hope that discussions are not using the PCGS item number in the discription for verification. As I stated, the discription area wording is from Ebay stock discriptions. The detail area that we posted has the real information about it.
    if this is fake, then i was fooled and will pull it. I am not sure how I can verify that though. The dealer assured me that it was real.
    change of story wounder why that is?
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I suggested that they send to PCGS for verification and read the barcode with a reader. Got this
    response:

    Dear greatbasincoins,

    We put it in a bar code reader and the numbers match...meaning the barcode versus the typed code...no difference

    - jelwyoming
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, in all fairness, she does need this money for her son's college fund. I wonder if he's studying to be a numismatist? >>




    I bet she had no kid needing college fund money. image


    It's a pretty small group of young numismatists/collectors that buy MS63 1895-0 dimes. It's an even smaller group that do this and have their local coin dealers confirm the fake as real.
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • After being contacted so many times by different people about the same thing wouldnt you listen to them??????
  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    What I wanna know is if u buy one of these large dollar fake coins in fake pcgs plastic and try to get made whole from pcgs what happens? Anyone think that at some point collectors may start a court case or something to sue pcgs?
  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭
    Look at the imprinted logo on the lower right part of the slab. Looks like PC6S
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scary. The counterfeiters are getting better & these are looking closer and closer to the real deal.

    I don't see any solution except what the feds do - constantly change the design so as to stay a step ahead of the bad guys.

    I do hope our hosts are investing a lot into R&D.
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Secure Plus Baby! Problem solved.
  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Font is all wrong. Definitely fake.

    -Paul >>



    Actually they got that nearly perfect.
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,833 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    I would greatly appreciate a side by side post instead of this flasher. Thanks, Bob
    image
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wouldn't it be really bad if the eBay holder turned out to be the real one?
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just a thought--Can PCGS request or demand that ebay remove this auction or any auctions similar in nature?
    image


  • << <i>Wouldn't it be really bad if the eBay holder turned out to be the real one? >>



    It's not. The ebay one is bad. I used the zbar bar code scanner for the iphone on both the ebay and the heritage flips, and only the heritage one came back with the correct cert #.
  • coin4salecoin4sale Posts: 375 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>image >>



    I would greatly appreciate a side by side post instead of this flasher. Thanks, Bob >>



    ME TOO!!!
    BT&C
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭✭✭
    imageimage
    ebay fake on left, Heritage genuine on right
    Just compare the bar or gap under the period in 4807.63 to see the difference.
    It is a "fat bar" on this fake, and a "gap" on the Heritage.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seller pulled and said she's taking it to a different dealer than the one her son got it from.

    She said that this was the dealer that also did the bar code reading and said it was correct.

    Hmmmmmmmm,

    Maybe she listen to some of us?

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • she told me she is going to contact our host about it.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is the first dealer from outside the US? image

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