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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    97 Environmental Damage = Corrosion, excessive toning, verdigris. But i like it . image


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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I saw how far the date was pulled back from the rim, I thought maybe you had the NC-1, but on closer inspection
    it's 'just' the S-188 image F15+ details, but the surfaces will net grade this one substantially lower. But it's a meaty '99!

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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Very nice detail! I am sure this would land in a problem free holder because it is a major key. Fine details, net down to G6 or VG8.
    Make sure you keep it in an environment with low humidity.
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  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very nice detail! I am sure this would land in a problem free holder because it is a major key. Fine details, net down to G6 or VG8.
    Make sure you keep it in an environment with low humidity. >>




    I give it a 25%p chance of no problem grading, my grade is vf details net vg8 for corrosion.
  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    This coin looks a little "off" to me. I'd want to see it hand to make sure it's not an electrotype.

    The gray color on the reverse high points is a bit suspect...
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  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    Here's a few links to examples with a similar look and die misalignment, both of which are electrotypes.


    ebay

    Goldberg's
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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This coin looks a little "off" to me. I'd want to see it hand to make sure it's not an electrotype.

    The gray color on the reverse high points is a bit suspect... >>



    I don't think so. No seams, weighs 10.5 grams. Its going to PCGS tomorrow.

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  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    How does it sound against a hard surface? Does it have a ring or a thud?
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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭
    fd
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  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    It's difficult to tell from these photos, but whenever I see a 1799 or 1804 in this kind of grade (F-VF with micro porosity) I always think electrotype until proven genuine. Your coin definitely doesn't show a seam, but the seam is often worn down and smoothed out and hardly visible on old, well-made electrotypes. I can't say it's 100% bad and I hope it turns out to be good! It just struck me as suspect when I first saw the pictures.

    If you don't mind me asking, where did you get it?
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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's difficult to tell from these photos, but whenever I see a 1799 or 1804 in this kind of grade (F-VF with micro porosity) I always think electrotype until proven genuine. Your coin definitely doesn't show a seam, but the seam is often worn down and smoothed out and hardly visible on old, well-made electrotypes. I can't say it's 100% bad and I hope it turns out to be good! It just struck me as suspect when I first saw the pictures.

    If you don't mind me asking, where did you get it? >>



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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Very nice but looks a little granular.
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  • IcollecteverythingIcollecteverything Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭
    Maybe recolored?

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  • JohnHarperJohnHarper Posts: 145 ✭
    I have concerns about three areas.

    1. The date is usually closer to the rim.
    2. The porosity is more like what is seen on an electrotype than what is seen on a genuine coin.
    3. There are grey areas on the reverse that look like lead showing through copper plating.

    This is a coin that requires certification. The photos certainly look like it could be an electrotype.
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317 ✭
    I unfortunately would cast doubt upon this one being nothing other than an electrotype.
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  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It just has that "electrotype look" to it. The coloring says electrotype also. Please let us know the PCGS determination. Thanks, Bob
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  • BustCudsBustCuds Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭

    Nice details but with some surface corrosion ...the lighter color doesn't look "right" image
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weigh it
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Unless from a well known EAC dealer, I would be very cautious buying one of these raw.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Check inside the rim for a seam. Electrotypes don't always have their seam on the edge. This is the type of coin that would benefit from a review by a top tier slabbing service.

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    First impression was that it was an electrotype, and after reviewing the images from the eBay and Goldberg's links, I would bet good money that's exactly what it is.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was hung up on making sure it wasn't an altered '98, and didn't even think electrotype until you guys mentioned it.
    The dentils and rims do look a little unusual.

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Weigh it >>



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  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Weigh it >>



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    He did. See above. 10.5 grams which is a little bit underweight, but not substantially. Electros can be all over the board though when it comes to weight.
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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭
    Its going today.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    I liked the part where it was $3, seven for $20 as I recall until that was removed. That was removed because it was thought that might interfere with or change the perception of the coin bought in a junk jar? It is what it is or not.

    Eric
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I liked the part where it was $3, seven for $20 as I recall until that was removed. That was removed because it was thought that might interfere with or change the perception of the coin bought in a junk jar? It is what it is or not.

    Eric >>

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    Wrong thread? You mean this Thread?
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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Doesn't look right. Maybe its the corrosion that is making me feel this way. The fields look real grainy. The reading looks off too. Possible counterfeit.
  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm no EAC'er, but that looks fake. Yikes!
    Collecting since 1976.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I liked the part where it was $3, seven for $20 as I recall until that was removed. That was removed because it was thought that might interfere with or change the perception of the coin bought in a junk jar? It is what it is or not.

    Eric >>

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    Wrong thread? You mean this Thread? >>




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  • SmallSizedGuySmallSizedGuy Posts: 503 ✭✭✭
    Denticles are wrong. I say fake.
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