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'75 minis from the pack - PSA says its trimmed

Jawa2600Jawa2600 Posts: 132
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A few months ago I opened a couple of '75 Topps mini packs. These packs came from BBCE. I got a real nice looking Carter rookie and sent it to PSA. My grades popped today and they say evidence of trimming.

I remember reading in the past, that some minis are always cut short. Is this one of those cards?

Thanks for reading.

Jason

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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    heh. funny stuff. just got my orders back with a '75 Topps Bobby Murcer being returned EOT. yeah. BOBBY FREEKIN' MURCER. from a vending box.

    i admit it. i was desperate and needed to alter an over-populated mega-semistar. but at least all my Mantles got graded. who needs the guy who never was Mantle, anyways? image
  • soundgardsoundgard Posts: 650 ✭


    << <i>A few months ago I opened a couple of '75 Topps mini packs. These packs came from BBCE. I got a real nice looking Carter rookie and sent it to PSA. My grades popped today and they say evidence of trimming.

    I remember reading in the past, that some minis are always cut short. Is this one of those cards?

    Thanks for reading.

    Jason >>



    Wow. Did PSA give your money back?
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it's any consolation, I had a '71 Catfish Hunter rejected for 'evid trim' that was pulled directly from a rack pack by me. At least I didn't trim the Rose that got an 8!
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  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    No refund on EOT. Send it back in, you'll probably get a 9.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    [I remember reading in the past, that some minis are always cut short. Is this one of those cards?

    No, on the contrary the Carter RC (as with other cards with pink top and yellow bottom) will sometimes be taller than the typical mini cards out of the pack (minis with tan top and blue bottom are also in this category).

    The only mini cards that should come "short" out of the pack are those with red top and yellow bottom or those with green top and yellow bottom. This is due primarily to their placement on the sheet.

    I would definitely submit again


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  • MrDodgerMrDodger Posts: 27
    Bad memories!
    that happened to me a while back! and also with 1975 topps but not minis
    i did resub some of the better ones and they did grade the 2nd time but
    it did cost me double.
    Joe
  • mattinglymint23mattinglymint23 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭
    I've gotten that on a few 75 regular I pulled straight from BBCE packs too. Resubmitted and got 8's and 9's. It's frustrating.
  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭

    I got EOT on a Rice RC I pulled straight from a '75 rack. Resubbed it and got EOT again. Luckily, I got a 9 on the Yount RC I pulled from the same rack.
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  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does anyone see an obvious problem here?
    Daniel
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Does anyone see an obvious problem here? >>



    Not really. PSA has a long and dark history with trimmed Minis, it's good to see they are taking a "better safe then sorry" approach for once. It would be nice if they got it right the first time, but the quantity of fraud and bad Minis out there raises the level of skepticism they are opporating on. It's a good sign for the hobby (maybe not for the OP) that they are over-analizing edges to determin whether or not a card is trimmed.
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    too much vigilance over this is going to piss more people off. seriously, a colored border? trimmed? how is that even possible without making it obvious?

    this has been my frustration for years with the '71 Topps Baseball as well. i truly wish they would put more effort into examining the card better and getting it right the first time.

    but, darn near every one i sent back was graded & slabbed the 2nd time around. pfffft.

    you're up, Daniel. image
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    It is all too possible, particularly with minis. Do an ebay search and see the most expensive mini offered right now, the Reggie PSA 10. The buyer paid 4300+ and relisted immediately for 9k. Shame he didn't look at the card and not the flip, that card is brutal.

    Carter is actually a very, very common trim, in more than one flavor. Any Carter that is short is trimmed. Quite a few that are not short are also trimmed as the card commonly came oversized and was later trimmed down to size. I am also glad to see them looking extra close at all Carters. If you ever saw the Dmitri 10, you would really know what I mean.
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  • stormtrooper80stormtrooper80 Posts: 317
    I had several straight-from-packs 1986 Fleer Basketball singles come back with EOTs . I resubbed some of them, and they each came back in holders.

    Just like every single other grading 'discussion' here; it all comes down to the grader's opinion.
  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    I would feel less concerned about over-vigilance if it weren't for the fact that the same card could be subbed again and most likely slabbed.
    Nikklos
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    seems to be quite the profit maker for PSA--1st time around EOT

    re-sub--pay more $$--OK, it's a PSA-8 or 9 after all.

    I mean doesn't PSA check the person's orders that are submitted previously--I assume so

    So if I send in 5 cards that come back EOT--and then re-sub them 2 months later--isn't the 1st thing they do is see if I have sub'd those cards before???

    And then they grade them?

    hmmmmmmmmm
  • ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to the club!

    It happens to us all at some point. For me it always seems to be low value commons from the '80s.

    Scott
  • UnwoundSageUnwoundSage Posts: 496


    << <i>
    I mean doesn't PSA check the person's orders that are submitted previously--I assume so

    So if I send in 5 cards that come back EOT--and then re-sub them 2 months later--isn't the 1st thing they do is see if I have sub'd those cards before???

    And then they grade them?

    hmmmmmmmmm >>



    And the reason I like to send my resubs on someone else's order.
  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    I used to think that they cross-referenced with your previous orders before grading. Now I really don't think they do. I mean, if you send the same cards within a week or two of each other and you get the same grader(s), maybe it sticks in their mind but otherwise, no.

    For one thing, it could bias the grading. I know that I submit multiple, distinct copies of the same card all the time and a whole lot of other people do as well. For another thing, why would they even bother?
    Nikklos
  • PorkinsPorkins Posts: 615 ✭✭✭


    << <i>seems to be quite the profit maker for PSA--1st time around EOT

    re-sub--pay more $$--OK, it's a PSA-8 or 9 after all.

    I mean doesn't PSA check the person's orders that are submitted previously--I assume so

    So if I send in 5 cards that come back EOT--and then re-sub them 2 months later--isn't the 1st thing they do is see if I have sub'd those cards before???

    And then they grade them?

    hmmmmmmmmm >>



    I can't imagine that they would cross reference previous subs. It seems like this would lead to problems... Shouldn't the card in hand (ideally) be graded on its own merits at that exact moment? Even if a grader has in hand a one card sub of a 1985 Topps Dan Marino, and the history of the same account shows the previous 100 subs ALL being one card subs consisting of an EOT 1985 Topps Dan Marino.... Could't this very easily (however unlikely) be a different card?
  • MrSnuffleupagusMrSnuffleupagus Posts: 689


    << <i>I can't imagine that they would cross reference previous subs >>



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