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10-6-2013 - Big D vs. Little D in JJ's playhouse.

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
Who wins,

Dallas or Denver?

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Asked another way:

    Will the Cowboys ride the Broncos across the vast open spaces of the Lone Star State, or will the Broncos ride the Cowboys up into the majestic and rugged high country of the Centennial State?
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    Not even a contest... Broncos by three scores.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    The Cowboys pass defense is terrible. I mean Eli Manning carved them up. Philip Rivers demolished them. They've allowed mediocre QBs to have monster days all year, and now the QB with the best start in history is coming to town?

    The only thing that might keep this from becoming a riot is if Denver sits Manning after being up 20+ in the third quarter. Either way, the Cowboys have no chance here.
  • buntbunt Posts: 625
    shut up and go back to mom's teet
  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>shut up and go back to mom's teet >>




    Is this necessary? Come on man.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Denver is putting an amazing amount of points on the board ... favored by at least a TD today ... imagine the spread next week when Denver hosts Jacksonville? Could be the biggest spread in the history of the NFL!

    To answer the OPs question ... DENVER.
    STAY HEALTHY!

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This game appears to be one that will be very high scoring.

    21-17 in the second quarter, with Manning throwing 3 touchdowns already.

    Romo is throwing very well also.

    Go Denver.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a Texas sized shootout?

    Bot quartebacks are having their way with the seak pass defenses of both teams.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not even a contest... Broncos by three scores. >>



    oops... lol
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not even a contest... Broncos by three scores. >>



    oops... lol >>



    I didn't think that Denver's defense was going to take the day off either.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can always count on Romo to throw the game away! ALWAYS!!!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>You can always count on Romo to throw the game away! ALWAYS!!! >>



    Really? Was he busy throwing away the game as he was racking up over 500 yards and 4 TDs? Place this blame squarely on his defense's fault. Only a fool would pin this loss on Romo.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both pass defenses are terrible, ranking at the bottom of the league stats in this category.

    Denver got lucky. Absent Romo throwing the interception at the end of the game, Dallas should have won. But apparently Romo has a habit of making mistakes in crunch time. Today it worked to Denver's benefit.

    Next up, Jacksonville. Hopefully the game will not be close.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Tony Romo has the best fourth quarter passer rating of any active QB, so this idea that he 'cracks under pressure' is pure myth and not backed up by any fact.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terrific game! Romo almost overcame a most putrid performance by the Dallas D (Denver wasn't much better). But by all means, let's not focus on the 51 points we gave up, let's focus on the single INT as the reason we lost the game, LOL..


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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>>Tony Romo has the best fourth quarter passer rating of any active QB, so this idea that he 'cracks under pressure' is pure myth and not backed up by any fact.<<<

    Please, you guys are the ones with bad logic!!!

    Sure he had big numbers. He can hit open recievers if he has time! ANY and I mean ANY NFL QB can do that. The game was his to win or lose and he forced a ball that should not have been thrown.

    Romo is a loser and can not think and do the right things when the game is on the line.....Peroid!!!

    You can have his numbers.....I will take a winning QB any day.

    There are not very many of the 30 starting QB's in the NFL that I wouldn't trade Rome for.......PERIOD!!!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>

    Romo is a loser and can not think and do the right things when the game is on the line.....Peroid!!!

    You can have his numbers.....I will take a winning QB any day.

    There are not very many of the 30 starting QB's in the NFL that I wouldn't trade Rome for.......PERIOD!!! >>



    Then you good sir are an idiot. If Romo hadn't been spectacular today the Cowboys would have lost by 30. Period.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1985fan - you sir are truly the idiot if you can't see the whole picture!!!!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>1985fan - you sir are truly the idiot if you can't see the whole picture!!!! >>



    The whole picture? You mean focusing on ONE pass attempt, and not looking at the 24/36 line, in which he put up over 500 yards and 4 TDs? You mean the big picture in which Romo is second to Eli in fourth quarter comebacks since 2011 with NINE? You mean the big picture of realizing that if Romo hadn't played a game for the ages today the Cowboys would have been totally and completely housed?

    Right, its ME who's focusing on the wrong things, and not, oh, I don't know, YOU who is calling for his head because of an interception. You want to trade Romo? I bet there's about 2 dozen teams out there would be more than willing to take a QB who WASN'T EVEN DRAFTED in the first place off your hands.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The big picture is he does this time and time again. It's not a 1 int.....just a stat. it's choking at the end of a game and throwing a ball where you shouldn't. He's not near the QB as Manning (or 20 others). He had more yards.....

    BUT WHO GOT THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Dime you're ridiculous.

    Let's ignore the nine fourth quarter comeback wins the last two years. Sheesh fan like you are the absolute worst.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All these 4th quarter comebacks are probably due to all the pic 6's that he threw that put them behind.

    Sorta like a few years ago when Dallas had a 20 pt. lead late in the game with the Lions. Tony threw 3 pic 6's and didn't have enough time to add to his comeback record!image

    And there are many more like that.

    Yes, Tony is great.......you can have him.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Ok I'll trade you Mike glennon for Romo straight up how's that sound?
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, I said probably 20 of the 30. Mike is in the other 10 group.image
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Passer rating for the current year:

    1 Peyton Manning, QB DEN 117 156 75.0 1,470 9.42 78 16 0 5 138.0 368
    2 Philip Rivers, QB SD 105 142 73.9 1,199 8.44 56 11 2 6 118.8 300
    3 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 81 122 66.4 1,057 8.66 57 8 3 10 105.1 352
    4 Tony Romo, QB DAL 110 152 72.4 1,017 6.69 53 8 1 9 105.1 254
    5 Drew Brees, QB NO 111 166 66.9 1,434 8.64 67 10 4 12 103.8 359
    6 Jake Locker, QB TEN 69 111 62.2 721 6.50 35 6 0 9 99.0 180
    7 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 115 173 66.5 1,330 7.69 81 8 3 7 97.7 333
    8 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 100 156 64.1 1,262 8.09 77 7 3 3 96.2 316
    9 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 59 96 61.5 787 8.20 51 6 3 13 95.3 197
    10 Michael Vick, QB PHI 65 118 55.1 1,080 9.15 70 5 2 14 93.2 270
    11 Cam Newton, QB CAR 52 88 59.1 577 6.56 47 6 2 8 91.9 192
    12 Andrew Luck, QB IND 81 127 63.8 915 7.21 47 5 2 10 91.8 229
    13 Alex Smith, QB KC 88 146 60.3 957 6.56 51 7 2 11 89.9 239
    14 Tom Brady, QB NE 93 158 58.9 1,014 6.42 49 7 2 7 87.4 254
    15 Terrelle Pryor, QB OAK 53 81 65.4 624 7.70 73 2 2 7 86.7 208
    16 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 116 177 65.5 1,193 6.74 32 8 6 11 85.7 298
    17 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 106 170 62.4 1,202 7.07 44 6 4 7 85.5 301
    18 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 93 142 65.5 1,076 7.58 67 5 5 18 85.3 269
    19 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 95 148 64.2 1,010 6.82 44 8 6 6 85.1 253
    20 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 103 162 63.6 1,231 7.60 45 5 5 15 84.2 308
    21 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 94 148 63.5 1,003 6.78 61 5 4 7 83.2 251

    So you're going to sit there and say you'd take 20 of these other guys over Romo?


    22 Brian Hoyer, QB CLE 57 96 59.4 615 6.41 47 5 3 6 82.6 205
    23 Sam Bradford, QB STL 107 182 58.8 1,093 6.01 47 7 3 11 82.1 273
    24 Colin Kaepernick, QB SF 68 117 58.1 856 7.32 43 5 4 10 81.0 214
    25 EJ Manuel, QB BUF 85 150 56.7 985 6.57 45 5 3 13 79.4 197
    26 Carson Palmer, QB ARI 87 152 57.2 1,010 6.65 44 4 6 10 69.8 253
    27 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 97 169 57.4 1,091 6.46 74 5 7 12 69.4 273
    28 Brandon Weeden, QB CLE 60 110 54.5 713 6.48 53 2 3 16 69.2 238
    29 Eli Manning, QB NYG 85 151 56.3 1,148 7.60 70 6 9 14 69.1 287
    30 Chad Henne, QB JAC 46 82 56.1 512 6.24 59 1 2 8 68.8 171
    31 Geno Smith, QB NYJ 78 136 57.4 1,090 8.02 69 4 8 14 68.6 273
    32 Christian Ponder, QB MIN 59 100 59.0 691 6.91 47 2 5 10 65.9 230
    33 Josh Freeman, QB TB 43 94 45.7 571 6.07 39 2 3 7 59.3 190
    34 Blaine Gabbert, QB JAC 33 67 49.3 300 4.48 31 0 5 10 30.7 150
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    # 7 and 15 are the only 2 I would pass on in the top list.

    And there are several on the bottom list I would take!
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To show you how much that passer rating means you need to look up and down that list and see how below Romo have better records.

    There are a bunch. And one way down in the list is 5-0 (K.C.)....just to name one of many. image
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>To show you how much that passer rating means you need to look up and down that list and see how below Romo have better records.

    There are a bunch. And one way down in the list is 5-0 (K.C.)....just to name one of many. image >>



    You're beyond words. Good luck with that ignorance!
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess at the end of the season the one with the best QB rating wins!

    You sir are the biggest idiot I have ever dealt with!!!!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>I guess at the end of the season the one with the best QB rating wins!

    You sir are the biggest idiot I have ever dealt with!!!! >>



    The one with the best QB rating had the best year, but that is totally and completely separate from the best TEAM winning. When will you and your mindless, mouth-breathing ilk put those two concepts together? Tony Romo has had exactly ONE top 10 defense in his career - and that just happened to be the year he won a playoff game. You can't win in the NFL without a great TEAM. Period. Look around the league, and look at the great QBs. The ones winning are the ones with great TEAMS behind them.

    NFL W L T PCT HOME ROAD DIV CONF PF PA DIFF STRK
    Denver 5 0 0 1.000 3-0-0 2-0-0 1-0-0 2-0-0 230 139 +91 Won 5
    New Orleans 5 0 0 1.000 3-0-0 2-0-0 2-0-0 4-0-0 134 73 +61 Won 5
    Kansas City 5 0 0 1.000 2-0-0 3-0-0 0-0-0 2-0-0 128 58 +70 Won 5
    Seattle 4 1 0 .800 2-0-0 2-1-0 1-0-0 2-0-0 137 81 +56 Lost 1
    Indianapolis 4 1 0 .800 2-1-0 2-0-0 1-0-0 2-1-0 139 79 +60 Won 3
    New England 4 1 0 .800 2-0-0 2-1-0 2-0-0 2-1-0 95 70 +25 Lost 1

    Those are the current top 6 teams in the league. See that little thing towards the end called "DIFF"? You think QBs are making that up all on their own? Or are they part of a great TEAM? The sooner you get this concept through your head the more knowledgeable you will become. Elway never won a Super Bowl until he got a great TEAM around him. How hard is this concept for you to grasp? Romo isn't your team's problem, its your defense, dude! Dallas has given up 136 points through 5 games. That's nearly 28 points a game, son. You aren't going anywhere with a defense that porous! 20th in the league in yards allowed, 27th in passing yards, do I need to keep going? Through in their mediocre 19th ranking in rush yards and it's even more amazing that Romo is 4th in passer rating.

    But keep on ranting, that Romo is somehow the Cowboys problem. There are PLENTY of teams out there who would love to have a 'problem' like Romo at QB.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is my last post...DUDE!

    Dallas is right there with New England...DUDE... +24 to +25....That's a 4-1 team DUDE!

    No matter how you slice it......Romo lost this game....he had the ball ...game tied and threw it away......DUDE!!!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Dallas is +16, and despite an MVP level performance from Romo this year, and that's due entirely to the defense being abysmal.

    He's completing over 70% of his passes, has 13 TDs to 2 INTs, and averaging over 300 yards a game. Blame Romo until you're blue in the face, but real football fans know that the DEFENSE (the folks who allowed 51 points!) are the culprits to blame for the loss to Denver.
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