Should there be a Registry short-set for Wheats 1934-1958

LincolnCentMan

PCGS has several shortsets in their registry program now. I was wondering if anyone else thinks that there should be a shortset for wheats from 1934 to 1958. It is a well accepted shortset in numismatic circles. I cant think of a coin album company that doesnt make an album for it. It is very easy to find such a set for sell in Coin World, Numismatic news, or any number of other publications.


David

sonofagunk

Well if there were a short set, this would be the ranking of the sets that are not hidden (assuming the weights stayed the same)


0 - 69.128 - Finest Knowns
1 - 68.851 - Tom Mershon
1 - 68.851 - Wayne Herndon
2 - 68.766 - PW. C #6 (TM)
3 - 68.628 - Mike Sadler Collection
4 - 68.585 - David Poole
4 - 68.585 - John Kamauff Set assembled by Angel Dee's
5 - 68.436 - Lambert's Lincoln Collection
6 - 68.404 - Kyle Patrick Collection
7 - 68.351 - ETB Lincoln Cent Collection
8 - 68.319 - The R.S.Gore Collection
9 - 68.170 - JP Pecchia Collection
10 - 68.074 - Pat and Gene's Lincolns
11 - 68.053 - The Statdfield Collection
12 - 67.904 - W. R. Johnson Collection
13 - 66.351 - MA Cline Collection
14 - 66.011 - Leonardo Ferreira Dallen
15 - 65.745 - Murphey's Abes
15 - 65.745 - The Zook Collection
16 - 65.670 - Xiao Mao Ying/Son of a Gunk
17 - 61.851 - Clackamas
18 - 61.170 - The Gaines Collection
19 - 60.011 - The W.M. Janisch Collection
20 - 59.947 - Orest and Lisa Chornij Collection
21 - 58.511 - Dave's Lincolns
22 - 57.479 - The VEZ Collection
23 - 57.053 - The Lorts Collection
24 - 53.319 - LaurelAnn Collection
25 - 49.862 - Rebekah's Wheaties
26 - 46.223 - David Sullivan
27 - 43.840 - Dennis Dewart Collection
28 - 43.489 - Land of Lincolns
29 - 38.309 - Joe Mac Eachern' Collection of Lincolns
30 - 36.830 - Bigfoot
31 - 36.447 - The Paseo Collection I
32 - 33.021 - Carpenter's Lincolns
33 - 32.436 - Justin Horn
34 - 31.830 - KAJ1
35 - 30.404 - Kerk
36 - 28.883 - CEB
37 - 28.149 - Ilham Perdana Collection
38 - 26.745 - Liz and Mike
39 - 21.670 - Henry's Reds
40 - 21.606 - Drunagel
41 - 20.968 - John and Stephanie Wenzel Collection
42 - 15.830 - G.K. Collection
43 - 15.191 - White Buffalo Collection
44 - 14.489 - Bob's Wheaties
45 - 13.745 - Ray 2
46 - 12.255 - Rush Family Collection
47 - 8.713 - Actio
48 - 7.170 - Hoff Hoard
49 - 5.809 - Dan's Cents
50 - 5.053 - Strachan Collection
51 - 5.032 - High Country Collection
52 - 3.649 - The Noone Collection
53 - 3.617 - Neibaur Collection
54 - 2.160 - The Irish Numismatist Collection
55 - 2.138 - Gareau
55 - 2.138 - TAC Collection
56 - 1.447 - MJP Gillen
57 - 0.713 - Eye of the Scroll
57 - 0.713 - Paul Lincoln Cent Collection
57 - 0.713 - Paul Lincoln Cent Collection
58 - 0.702 - Mansco Perry Collection
59 - 0.691 - SJ Cohen Collection
79 - 0.000 - Charles L Roberts
79 - 0.000 - High Desert
79 - 0.000 - Newmismatist Lincoln 1CN
79 - 0.000 - Reynolds Wheaties
79 - 0.000 - Stewart Blay
79 - 0.000 - Vadim's Set

Typetone

Hi Lincoln Cent Man:

I like the idea. Why not add another Lincoln option, since we already have multiple sets. The Lincoln run is so long that many people collect them in many different ways. The short set certainly seems popular. Might even consider it myself. Send DH an email. Who knows, you might get it. I would also like to see another proof option. One of the following would work for me:

1. 1950 - 1958
2. 1950 - 1964 or
3. 1950 - 1970 (including the SMS pieces)

Good luck and cheers.

Son:

Where did you possibly find the time to do all that ranking?

Greg S.

sonofagunk

it took 30 seconds. If you look at my "other" spreadsheet that I have (and post once in a while), all you have to do is put 0 in the weight for all of the 1909-1933 coins and then all of the calculations are "automagically" done.

One of the benefits of being a computer geek.

RELLA

I also like the idea.... it would probably cause me to jump back into collecting Lincolns at some time in the not too distant future. My old set would have scored out at 68.4468, which would have ranked me as high as 7th depending on the composition of certain hidden sets, and I was by no means done upgrading some of these dates to my satisfaction. It would be just my luck to sell a portion of my collection and then have a new registry set be created where I could have been very competitive. If I do get back into it, it will be interesting to see how much more money it will take to repurchase a similar set this time around.

RELLA

clackamas

I like the idea. There is a variety set sub ranking. I would certainly rank higher #17 instead of #39 according to Gunk. Just added some more coins so I should pull ahead of Gunk on the short set, but then again He is probably buying a 54 in 65 RD from me so that should give him a few more points and fill a hole.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

Lincoln Cent Man

It would be a great idea to have a short set of 1934-1958 on the registry Tell David Hall I said so and also cc B.J. She is more responsive than David AND she is the boss.
The best short set (by grade point average) is not registered.

Stewart

dddangerousdan

Stewart, let us see what you have there. A lot of people would like to see yours.

DAN

Cocoinut

It would be a wildly popular set. There are currently a fair number of coins that can be had in MS67RD at reasonable prices (how would a new registry set affect that situation?), and while MS66's of a few dates are becoming a bit pricey, they won't send most collectors to the poorhouse. I probably wouldn't participate in that set, though, as I bought very nice raw coins years ago.

Jim

mrpaseo

YEEEEEEEES! Please.


I happen to be working on that set right now. Actually 1935-1958, but I'll back it up to 34 if they make the set. Upon completion, I will then work my way back. Not sure how far I will make it but I'm gonna go as far a sI can.

Great idea,
Ray

LincolnCentMan

Ray,

I'm to that point now. There are only a few dates left that I need in the short set. I'm buying a few of the earlier dates now. I'm going to a show this weekend. I'm very hopeful I can find a few raw coins that will fill some "holes" in my set. We'll see.

David

Steve

Stewart Blay, I know I speak for many Lincoln Cent collectors when I say we're very happy to see you post on this board. Your reputation goes back to 1993 for me when your collection was included in Sol Taylor's third edition of the Standard Guide. We all know you have a great collection of Lincoln cents. It would be very nice if you would allow all the collectors here to see the details of your proofs and for circulation coins and also have scans available for viewing. I realize that doing so can possibly adversly affect the market and that may be why you don't do it, but it certainly would be a public service to us Lincoln Cent collectors to see your collection. Again, thank you for posting and please continue to do so. Steve

Keyrock

I like the idea too. I started collecting Walkers because of the short set. It would probably push prices alot higher too, so I could see PCGS being interested in doing this (DHRC).

Is it possible for Lincolns to get any hotter?

Does this mean we will have a log jam at certian parts? (i.e 10 people tied for 6th best set....)

Rich

Typetone

OK

I stepped out and sent DH and BJ an email with you idea. I also indicated that if they are too busy, that you folks would volunteer to develop the weights, bonuses, deductions, etc. We will see what we hear.

Greg

KAJ1

I would like to see the short set also.


Kevin

Typetone

Hi:

I already got a response from David Hall. He said he thought its a good idea, and that they could probably look at it in the Summer once they get up a lot of the current sets. While I volunteered you guys to do the work, I think they like to reserve the set creation for themselves. So, it sounds like you can start putting together your sets. If we don't have something by July or so, let's remember to follow up.

Cheers

Greg

sonofagunk

Well until that one set that is so great (actually 3 people have told me about the set include the man that owns it), we can only wonder what the top set would be. There are suppose to be a lot of MS68's in there.

There are 14 68's in the short set finest knowns and 57 67's.

My guess would be that the finest know for the short set would cost (if you could buy it) around $90,000

Being that that a short set (that actually went back to 1932) in MS66RD just sold for $3,000 (which I think was an AMAZIN DEAL), that is a HUGE jump

-sog

LincolnCentMan

I just wanted to say that it's nice to see Mr. Blay post on the board. His set must be increadible. Perhaps one day he'll put it on display at one of the major shows. Even though I've worked really hard on my set, and it is very nice in it's own right, Br. Blay's set is something special... the finest in the world. And that's saying a lot when you concider how many people are trying to get to that place.

I'm pretty sure I'll never have a top five set. I may eventually get to a top ten, but only if a few sets get retired in the next few years. Since my funds are limited, my goal is mearly to have a complete set in PCGS 63BN or better. It will be a while.

In an aside, wow, you guys have connections. I certainly hope that PCGS is able to add the short set this year. It is really the section that I try to concentrate on.

David

LincolnCentMan

BTW, I'd be willing to work on weights and bonuses....

David

jy8s

I am confused, I thought the set already had weights and bonuses. Do we need to create another proof set situation with sub sets?

I say make the new set and keep the weights and bonus as is>

jy8s

sonofagunk

I feel the same way. The weights and bonuses are good enough for the full set, then they should be good enough for the short set.

-sog

sonofagunk

Also, I think the short sets, the Varieties and the basic sets should just be "one set" where you "check off" which sets you want to be listed in (much like th "do you want to be included in the all-time finest" type choice.

BJ

Hi to all you Lincoln cent collectors!

This thread made it's way to David and me and DH has agreed that we will put up the short set for you.

However, we are going to ask for your patience in this matter. As you know, we have been working really hard on weighting, bonuses, tweaking sets, etc. We have a long list and some sets are quite complex and are taking much longer than expected to complete. We are trying to meet all the demands we are getting from set registrants in an orderly fashion. (I know this may come as a shock to you, but there are collectors out there who collect other things besides Lincolns!)

The bottom line is that we've added this set to our list, because clearly it is something that is wanted by many people, but we don't think we can get to this set until this summer. I wish I could be more specific, but I just can't.

As always, we appreciate your patience and your support of the set registry!

MastaHanky

<<(I know this may come as a shock to you, but there are collectors out there who collect other things besides Lincolns!)>>

I take offense to this sentence. You make it sound like that Lincoln collectors are selfish people who think they are the center of the universe, when in reality, it's the Mercury Dime people who are causing all the problems!

Typetone

No, its the 20th Century type people!!

keithdagen

You mean people don't collect 20th Century Type?

LincolnCentMan

B.J.

Thanks. There are a number of co-collectors that I'm sure will be glad to see the set started. I know I'm looking forward to it.

David

Bear

BJ - Even though I do not collect Lincoln Cents, thank you for being so quick to respond to collectors needs . We appreciate it ,even though we sometimes bellyache too much. Bear

mrpaseo

BJ-Way cool....Thank you. I don't mind waiting, just so long as I am heard. Thanks again, and LincolnCentMan...Thanks to you for starting this thread.

Wow, I can not wait...lol. Not that I will be to high on the list. All the guys with the full set will just add their set over there as well and knock me down AGAIN!!!! Grrrrrr.

LOL,
Ray

dbemike

<< <i>Hi to all you Lincoln cent collectors!

This thread made it's way to David and me and DH has agreed that we will put up the short set for you.

However, we are going to ask for your patience in this matter. As you know, we have been working really hard on weighting, bonuses, tweaking sets, etc. We have a long list and some sets are quite complex and are taking much longer than expected to complete. We are trying to meet all the demands we are getting from set registrants in an orderly fashion. (I know this may come as a shock to you, but there are collectors out there who collect other things besides Lincolns!)

The bottom line is that we've added this set to our list, because clearly it is something that is wanted by many people, but we don't think we can get to this set until this summer. I wish I could be more specific, but I just can't.

As always, we appreciate your patience and your support of the set registry! >>




I happened to stumble across this post 7 years to the day This set must be a well kept secret, I can't find it. Was there really one in 2002? That was before my time.

LincolnsRule

There's never been a short set. Yes, pcgs has been promising it for 7 years! This is just another example of their... okay I won't say it. You all know how I feel about pcgs though!

LeeG

Dan50

Don't think anyone knows, but I had a 31-58 Lincoln set in 2002.
Got into modern commemoratives and Roosevelt dimes and sold most of it off.
Then got clad Roosie fever and sold the commemoratives and what was left of the Lincolns.
I miss both, but miss the commemoratives most. Great coins, no two released were the same.

LincolnsRule

Yeah, I think I knew that Dan. I know of many registry collectors who started with the late date wheats, but then when they got too expensive they sold and moved to something more manageable.

Is LincolnCentMan still around? He had an awesome short set! It wouldn't have ranked near the top but it was filled with the most pq coins and best quality for the money. When he sold it I snapped up the two keys, 49-p and 54-p from him (at quite a premium!). That's basically all I've accomplished so far for the short set! I had an ms67 50-p (pop 16 at the time, 18 now) and 53-d (pop 11 at the time, 13 now) and a few other tough dates but sold them to pay for some 1965-date coins. When done with 1965-date I'll certainly be back into the 40's and 50's!

Steve

<< <i>Lincoln Cent Man

It would be a great idea to have a short set of 1934-1958 on the registry Tell David Hall I said so and also cc B.J. She is more responsive than David AND she is the boss.
The best short set (by grade point average) is not registered.

Stewart >>



This post by Stewart Blay was one of the very first he posted on the CU boards. He had great advice then regarding DH & BJ. Seven years later the advice is still good. Unfortunately, it was NOT implemented by CU. Maybe BJ could tell us why.
Steve

RBinTex

Wow! A blast from the past but, YES, they should and it is still sort of a shame PCGS let's things fall on deaf ears for so long.

BJ post 5/9/02:

"...This thread made it's way to David and me and DH has agreed that we will put up the short set for you..."

7 years is asking a bit too much patience IMHO.

rainbowroosie

I think it is a great idea to give the little guy a chance...

ProofCents

Has any one talked to BJ or David about this promise?

sonofagunk

yup, this is pretty much why I sold all of my PCGS lincolns and moved on to other non-PCGS sets

Earlycoin

sure.....why not

Silverstate

There is one !!


Short Set Lincolns 1934-1958

Gerry

That's always been my favorite!

LeeG

Oops.

dbemike

Thanks PCGS

Steve

This situation resulting in PCGS creating the "short set" for Lincoln wheat cents points out a couple of things to me.

I remember the clammer for this set back in 2002. Unfortunately, at that time, the PCGS tech folks weren't in position to "duplicate" the program in ANY easy fashion. I assume that with the changes they made in the past two or three years, this ability is very quick to implement. Unfortunately, I assume, nobody pushed BJ on this short set in the last few years and she probably forgot all about it. When Mike brought this thread back up someone must have alerted BJ and within a day the Lincoln short set was up and running. With the easy ability to add coins to this set from inventory, I'm sure that within days lots of Set Registry collectors will add this set.

The moral of the story is if there are other recognized short sets out there within the denominations that may have been forgotten by PCGS in the last several years, now is the time to let PCGS know. If it has general recognition within the hobby, I bet PCGS can add it within the day.
Steve

RBinTex

BJ,

When are going to get a Washington Quarter complete variety set?

I'm not the ONLY one!!!