Rookies first poss submission..'75 Nolan ryan mini,.opinions?

Steelernation

Of course I can't figure out how to upload so a member here has very graciously agreed to post it for me. That's the attitude that keeps people here. Because there are a lot of frustrating things that have pushed me away.

Anyways, it's a 1975 mini Ryan. The edges look rough because of my printer raised them but they are super smooth.
While we wait, I'm just reentering this hobby with a lot of negative experiences. Concerning this, I ought 2 packs from a guy and got this Ryan. So a bought some more getting Carter rookie, Aaron and a couple other decent stars. So maybe not all packs out there are searched.

Bosox1976

Nice pulls - hope the scans do them justice!

MiniDuff

Really nice hits. Those three actually do tend to come together in my experience (a box only gives you just over half a set if you have no dupes). Looking forward to seeing scans.

grote15

Nice pulls from raw wax! Did you buy them on ebay? Look forward to seeing the scans!

Steelernation

http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=6101820022/a=7654679022_7654679022/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/

I think Neil went to sleep. I'm making progress but is there someone here I can email the pic to then they can post it? It's a sharp Ryan IMHO.
Everyone's been such a big help.
Thx
Rob

maddux69

Here ya go

Stingray

PSA 6, IMO.

Nikklos

Now, before I saw the scan, I said 7, maybe 8 on a good day. It's not a good day but it may pull a 7.

Steelernation

The top corners are sharp despite how they appear.
But I see the L/R off center. What are the other detractors? Just trying to learn.
Thx guys

Steelernation

And thank you maddux69 although I tried to send to Neil. I'm confused how u got it. But thanks for posting. I'm usin snapfish, not working so well. What makes it a six except for the L/R?

Nikklos

If you are saying that the top left corner is sharp and there is no color loss/gray showing, then it is hard to judge from the scan. But the centering alone should cap it at an 8.

Dboneesq

I agree with the others at this pulling a "7" at best. However, it would be much easier to give an opinion if you used a dark background in the scan. If you scan with the cover open and the lights off it will produce a dark background. You mentioned that "The edges look rough because of my printer raised them but they are super smooth." With the darker background it should be easier to tell.

stown

<< <i>The top corners are sharp despite how they appear.
But I see the L/R off center. What are the other detractors? Just trying to learn.
Thx guys >>



Don't be discouraged but what you deem sharp corners are typically not the same standards as by a third party grader (ie true 90 degree angles and without any fraying). As Doug mentioned, scan it again with the lid up. This will make the background black and corners stand out more, rather than being washed out/blending in with a white background.

Steelernation

I gotcha. Still on the steep part of the learning curve. Ur responses are great and makes me want to continue despite all of the fraud, untruths and essentially stealing that is out there. Just got a rack box from a huuuge dealer, not bbce, great feedback in the thousands and of course of all the racks not one star or even midstar front or back in any of the packs. I know. I know. My fault. But still leaves a bitter taste.
But there are some just good guys on this board.

gemint

Ditto on needing a better scan. However, I don't see any obvious flaws on the card. It looks nice to me. Centering is a bit off but it doesn't appear worse than 60-40 to my eyes, though I didn't measure it.

Steelernation

So let's say the top is smooth with sharp corners. The L/R centering brings it to an eight? Just trying to learn. Y'all have been very helpful.

Nikklos

I would say so - however, I did get a 9 on this recently so there are exceptions. I guess it depends how sharp the rest of the card is.

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maddux69

<< <i>And thank you maddux69 although I tried to send to Neil. I'm confused how u got it. But thanks for posting. I'm usin snapfish, not working so well. What makes it a six except for the L/R? >>



No problem. The link that you posted had the scan, I transferred it to Photobucket for ease of use. I copied the direct link on photobucket and used it when posting the image(the picture frame icon to the right of the underline) and the picture will then post in the thread.

dytch2220

<< <i>The L/R centering brings it to an eight? >>



I disagree with this.

The card has a 35px@L and 31px@R border near the top of the image. This is the place where it measured the worst. That is 53/47 centering. Although the card is not nearly a 10, the centering alone fits within the standards of a 10 according to PSAs definition which is 55/45 or better. Say I mis-measured a little bit, in a worst case scenario the card would healthily meet the centering standards of a PSA 9.

I just want to be clear that I'm not saying the card is PSA 9 worthy. However, in terms of the way PSA would grade it, centering should not play much of a factor in what lowers the grade.

grote15

You have a shot at an 8 on a good day, imo. 7.5 would be my guess.

MintMoondog

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<< <i>The L/R centering brings it to an eight? >>



I disagree with this.

The card has a 35px@L and 31px@R border near the top of the image. This is the place where it measured the worst. That is 53/47 centering. Although the card is not nearly a 10, the centering alone fits within the standards of a 10 according to PSAs definition which is 55/45 or better. Say I mis-measured a little bit, in a worst case scenario the card would healthily meet the centering standards of a PSA 9.

I just want to be clear that I'm not saying the card is PSA 9 worthy. However, in terms of the way PSA would grade it, centering should not play much of a factor in what lowers the grade. >>



I agree 100% with your analysis. That is very well centered for this card (especially T/B). It looks like an 8 to me which would bring you between 120-160ish. But the experts are probably right and dont be surprised at a 7.
Really nice eye appeal. Congrats

EDIT: looking back at the card again, I believe a very positive aspect is that the printing is so clean! Usually, that card has all kinds of fisheye issues. Perhaps the grader will give it bonus points for clarify and surface. Send it in and let us know!

Steelernation

Thanks for all the responses. I def will send this one in. I just made a thread showing the other star cards I ripped for ur opinion.Aaron, rice, Carter, Stargell, and Ryan. Still learning so the link goes to photo bucket.

Nikklos

Hey Dytch - just curious, what does your formula say about the Henderson that I posted above? Like I said, it received a 9. Does it fall under the parameters?

MiniDuff

Honestly, barring more detail, my first look at it thought it was a nicely centered 8 and no tools needed to tell you the centering easily falls into 9 for a mini.

In my experience, the board as a whole tends to grade a tad more harshly than PSA at times. It is always very hard, to impossible to tell from a scan if there are things like a surface wrinkle that would ruin a grade. Barring that, a nicely centered 7 will sell for $50 and an 8 for 120 or so these days, so either way, send it on its merry way, you have very little downside.

Steelernation

Ok. Do I send it under "express"$35 with declared value $500-$1999 or "regular"$17 with declared value under $500. Then if it gets a psa9 will they charge me more now that the value has increased. Does this affect their grading?
Thx again

dytch2220

<< <i>Hey Dytch - just curious, what does your formula say about the Henderson that I posted above? Like I said, it received a 9. Does it fall under the parameters? >>



Since that picture is a photo rather than a scan, I can't do a proper analysis. The perspective could distort an accurate measurement. If you can acquire a scanned image or take a loupe and measure the borders in mm - I'll happily plug it in for you. Eyeballing it, I'd guess 57/43 or thereabouts. From purely a centering perspective, a solid 9 on the border of 10.

Piggs

<< <i>Ok. Do I send it under "express"$35 with declared value $500-$1999 or "regular"$17 with declared value under $500. Then if it gets a psa9 will they charge me more now that the value has increased. Does this affect their grading?
Thx again >>



Send it in regular and it will not change if you get a 9. The declared value is for your purpose if the card is lost or damaged during the time when it is sent until you receive it from PSA. Doug