Question for the 1970's collectors

edmundfitzgerald

Why is Carlton Fisk in the Hall of Fame ?

I remember him as a good player, who played on some good teams, but was he worthy of the Hall ?

Mdube16

Retired as all time HR leader at C. 11 time All Star.

Very worthy HOF without a doubt

edmundfitzgerald

OK. Sounds good.

I think I saw where he was a lifetime .261 hitter, so I was just wondering.

mattinglymint23

If your point is why is Fisk in while Munson and Mattingly are not - I agree

Dboneesq

<< <i>OK. Sounds good.
I think I saw where he was a lifetime .261 hitter, so I was just wondering. >>



I think he is HOF worthy. Looks like his lifetime average was .269. EXCLUDING guys who hit 500+ HomeRuns, there are about 25 guys in the HOF whose lifetime average was .279 (ten points higher) and lower.

arex

Schmidt hit .279 on the dot.
Not that it goes against what you said, just tossing that out there

grote15

A lifetime average of .269 for a guy who spent the vast majority of a 22-year career behind the plate is actually very impressive, especially when you add in his .341 OBP and his defensive skills. He was also, next to Johnny Bench, the best catcher of the 1970s.

MisterBungle

"I think I saw where he was a lifetime .261 hitter, so I was just wondering."

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Actually a lifetime .269 hitter.

See his page here.

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otwcards

Fisk was a great player, but I always viewed him more as a compiler . . . sort of in the vein of Don Sutton and Bert Blyleven. Great players, but not on the same level as their contemporaries (Munson, Bench, Simmons and Freehan) . . . just able to outlast them. I know his supporters will jump in (sorry BPorter), but Fisk had only one season with more than 26 HRs, only 4 seasons with more than 75 RBI and only hit over .300 twice. But he did manage to play almost 2500 games in a 24 year career.

JoeBanzai

<< <i>"I think I saw where he was a lifetime .261 hitter, so I was just wondering."

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Actually a lifetime .269 hitter.

See his page here.

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Killebrew was at .256 lifetime.

Batting average is just one of many ways a player brings his particular abilities to the "table". If you look at both of these guys they added a lot of value to their teams.

grote15

Munson was on his way to possibly being a HOFer as well, but we will never know. His OPS+ for the decade he played was 116 while Fisk's for his entire career (which obviously included some leaner years near the end of his career that Thurman never had the chance to get to) was 117.

CarlosDanger

He hit an overrated home run in the World Series........that his team lost. TV has a way of turning losers into winners.

arex

The JAWS metric has Fisk as the 4th best catcher ever. He has the 4th highest WAR of catchers (which is easily linked to his longevity)
I wouldnt rank him 4th overall but thats what the numbers say

arex

<< <i>Munson was on his way to possibly being a HOFer as well, but we will never know. His OPS+ for the decade he played was 116 while Fisk's for his entire career (which obviously included some leaner years near the end of his career that Thurman never had the chance to get to) was 117. >>


I really have always wondered how Munson never got in.

grote15

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<< <i>Munson was on his way to possibly being a HOFer as well, but we will never know. His OPS+ for the decade he played was 116 while Fisk's for his entire career (which obviously included some leaner years near the end of his career that Thurman never had the chance to get to) was 117. >>


I really have always wondered how Munson never got in. >>



Did not play long enough is the primary reason. Had he played another 3-4 seasons at the level he was playing (no guarantee but certainly possible) he'd be in.

arex

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<< <i>Munson was on his way to possibly being a HOFer as well, but we will never know. His OPS+ for the decade he played was 116 while Fisk's for his entire career (which obviously included some leaner years near the end of his career that Thurman never had the chance to get to) was 117. >>


I really have always wondered how Munson never got in. >>



Did not play long enough is the primary reason. Had he played another 3-4 seasons at the level he was playing (no guarantee but certainly possible) he'd be in. >>


An exception was made for Addie Joss and he only played 9 seasons.
In a case of tragedy like that with Munson I think he should have gotten consideration for it.
Would it make the Hall any less valid if he was there?
Not with some of the Veterans Committee selections in there.

jmaciu

Not that it got him into the Hall, but he did hit one of the most memorable World Series Home Runs!!!

Edited later: guess I missed the above post about the HR. I guess I was too distracted by college football.

soundgard

<< <i>Retired as all time HR leader at C. >>



He was 2nd when he retired to Bench in all time hr.

markj111

<< <i>He hit an overrated home run in the World Series........that his team lost. TV has a way of turning losers into winners. >>




ROFLMAO!

bunt

He enjoyes watching SNL and ESPN so he's ok in my book. The flowers thing is out there but not a concern.

CollectorAtWork

While we're on this topic, can someone explain to me how Ron Santo made the Hall of Fame? I've recently picked up some 1970 sets, and have been paying attention the players who made the 00 numbers in the sets. One of them, in the 75 set, was Dick Allen, and I was reading that he clashed with Ron Santo while they were teammates on the Chisox. Allen got the prized #400 in that 75 Topps set, while Santo got the #35, which was pretty much the same as a common. Yet Santo is the one who made the Hall of Fame.