(FINAL UPDATE) Is this a partial collar error??? (GRADE & TRUEVIEW POSTED)

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

I just got it in hand today, 1880s Morgan with frosty devices and deep mirrors. Coin looks like a 63 and has some ugly carbon-spot looking funk on the reverse. My question is, does the "railroad" have to be around the entire rim to be classified an error? And, is it even classified as an error? I will post pics as soon as I can (PICTURES POSTED), as the set coin has only half of the "railroad" rim and the other half normal.







Erik

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>My question is, does the "railroad" have to be around the entire rim to be classified an error? And, is it even classified as an error?

Erik >>



Not if it is a tilted partial collar strike. Keeping my eye on this thread.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

a couple more close-ups...



Erik

BustHalfBrian

Yes, I believe that is a tilted partial collar strike. Very nice find!

EXOJUNKIE

Yep, a tilted partial collar. These are mostly encountered on 1921 Morgans, so you definitely have a nice find. Congrats.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

I may have overpaid for the coin IMO, but I was drawn by the die polishing on the reverse (which there is tons of, only in the fields) and the semi-prooflike appearance (which is PL IMO) from the sellers photos. I was planning on sending it in to PCGS for grading with 30+ other Morgans here soon. Will PCGS attribute it as an error? Is it even worth having it attributed by PCGS? I don't plan on selling it, I plan on keeping it with the rest. I have recently started a Morgan registry set, strictly out of curiosity and love for the coin.

Here is the eBay link from which I won the coin.

Thanks for the help guys

Erik

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EXOJUNKIE

You didn't overpay. A quick check of HA's auction archives show prices all over the map though. I didn't notice this date/mm among those sold, so it could be a scarcer date. IMO if it comes back in a problem-free holder then it is worth slabbing. Good luck with it!

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>You didn't overpay. A quick check of HA's auction archives show prices all over the map though. I didn't notice this date/mm among those sold, so it could be a scarcer date. IMO if it comes back in a problem-free holder then it is worth slabbing. Good luck with it! >>



Good to know. I have a couple Morgans with that same type of funky marks on them that slabbed problem-free by our host....BUT, they are both low grades at 62s. What are those marks, anyone know? I would assume its environmental damage but I don't know. So after determining that there is die polishing and not harsh cleaning, I think it would grade. Also, does anyone know if the PCGS Restoration Service could do a number on the reverse spotting???

Erik

WoodenJefferson

First of all, what a great find since the seller failed to mention the error, but and lots of times there are buts...the spot inside the letter 'D' concerns me and will also probably concern our host here. Only one way to find out though, right?

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>First of all, what a great find since the seller failed to mention the error, but and lots of times there are buts...the spot inside the letter 'D' concerns me and will also probably concern our host here. Only one way to find out though, right? >>



Should I let her sleep beneeth in a sea of super-fresh Acetone tonight before sending her in for her judgement/fate???

Erik

BustHalfBrian

I think PCGS conservers could help with the spots, unless you feel more comfortable doing it yourself with Acetone.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>I think PCGS conservers could help with the spots, unless you feel more comfortable doing it yourself with Acetone. >>



I don't think Acetone will work for the spots but it may take care of the greenish funk inside the D. I never apply ANY friction while in the Acetone nor do I after the soak and rinse. If the PCGS conservers could take them out, I would pay them to try. BTW, she is sound asleep for the night

Add: The coin is asleep and not the Wife...who just threw the tv remote at me and hissed for me to quietly put down my iPad and then politely wash every dish in the sink. In Layman's term; that pretty much means I'm done here for now

Erik

Type2

That looks cool.

Broadstruck

<< <i>I don't think Acetone will work for the spots but it may take care of the greenish funk inside the D. I never apply ANY friction while in the Acetone nor do I after the soak and rinse. If the PCGS conservers could take them out, I would pay them to try. >>



Acetone will not work and that's not green funk in the D... Those spots are rancid dip solution from a previous improperly neutralized dip that's turning. Once they turn that dark to shades of deep blue they are terminal as the acidity is eating into the surface of the coin. The coin needs to be re-dipped and properly neutralized to keep things from getting worse. Even so after another dio there will most likely still be trace as I doubt you'll be able to fully remove all the spots but it should be stable once done. Without the spots it was a great bonus as the tilted p/c tripped the value of your investment.

guitarwes

Nice edge views showing the tilted partial collar strike. Neat find.

FredWeinberg

A nice example of a "Tilted Partial Collar Strike"
(that's what would go on the tag @ PCGS if you submit it)

Can't believe this major mechanical error was not
mentioned whatsoever in the listing !

It's worth about 3 times+ what you paid for it, imo.

OldEastside

Steve

Broadstruck

<< <i>It's worth about 3 times+ what you paid for it, imo. >>



I also meant to say "tripled" the value of your investment in my post very early this morning but wrote "tripped" instead

FredWeinberg

I thought you meant the person
who listed the coin 'tripped up'
by not mentioning the error .....lol

Broadstruck

<< <i>I thought you meant the person
who listed the coin 'tripped up'
by not mentioning the error .....lol >>



I took benadryl last night and was still semi comatose when I wrote that this morning

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I took benadryl last night and was still semi comatose when I wrote that this morning >>



i tried to post this for you but it was just to late ><

BustHalfBrian

I don't think you over-payed either. In fact, I think you got it for a steal considering the uncommon error.

This is the type of coin I would want to appreciate raw, but at the same time have attributed by a third-party. If it were my coin, I'd submit it to PCGS to have it assessed, crack it out of the slab, and save the label with the attribution, since you can only really see the full error when the coin is raw.

Broadstruck

<< <i>I don't think you over-payed either. In fact, I think you got it for a steal considering the uncommon error.

This is the type of coin I would want to appreciate raw, but at the same time have attributed by a third-party. If it were my coin, I'd submit it to PCGS to have it assessed, crack it out of the slab, and save the label with the attribution, since you can only really see the full error when the coin is raw. >>



You can see most all of the P/C rim in a PCGS pronged holder.

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>

<< <i>I don't think you over-payed either. In fact, I think you got it for a steal considering the uncommon error.

This is the type of coin I would want to appreciate raw, but at the same time have attributed by a third-party. If it were my coin, I'd submit it to PCGS to have it assessed, crack it out of the slab, and save the label with the attribution, since you can only really see the full error when the coin is raw. >>



You can see most all of the P/C rim in a PCGS pronged holder. >>



When you hold the slab at an awkward angle, maybe. I would still be able to appreciate the error more of the coin were raw.

That's why I keep most of my Bust halves raw (which have lettered edges), especially varieties where the edge is a PUP for the die variety.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

…ok, I sent the coin in via restoration service (mint error) and it graded…but I received the grade today and there is no error? I called customer service and they are trying to figure out what is going on. I will update this thread when they get back to me. Could this coin not be considered a mint error? I'm confused but I can roll with the punches with the best of them

Erik

FredWeinberg

Did you check off the "Mint Error" box
on the submission form?????

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>Did you check off the "Mint Error" box
on the submission form????? >>



I had to fill out the "restoration service" form and noted on the form to run it as a Mint Error on the form. I had it in secure holder with true view service. I also called in about 3 weeks ago and requested that they position the coin in the holder to show the partial collar error. I'm sure it will work itself out. If not, I will move on to the next project.

Erik

krueger

Anvil die used for reverse and Hammer die used for Obverse as expected.

Krueger

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>Anvil die used for reverse and Hammer die used for Obverse as expected.

Krueger >>



...thank you, I have no idea what that means but I am eager to learn...could you please explain

Thanks in advance

Erik

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3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

Thanks FadeToBlack

Erik

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

I used the restoration service and they nailed it IMO! They have had the coin since September 19th. I am stoked and this is my first ever GEM from PCGS, and an error to boot The guys over at coin community helped me attribute this coin as a VAM 51A (thanks guys).





Erik

cheezhed

I'd be stoked too. Well done.

crypto79

I can't believe it didn't PL

1tommy

Excellant Job with the Submission and Thanks for sharing. Very Interesting and something new learned..Enjoy

Wolf359

Nice score.