<< <i>as I said before, there would be no clutch without Shaq. Shaq scored 13 of Lakers last 23 points. If Shaq didn't score those, there would have been no clutch time as in every game. Shaq gets them to that clutch point and Kobe hits that final shot. So, Kobe is great for making 1 shot when Shaq gets them to that point? SHAQ is the man in LA. If Shaq would have sat out the rest of the game after getting re-stitched, Lakers would have lost that game. Argure with that one >>
i dont understand how shaq is overlooked when last year SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the regular season . SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the all-star game and SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the finals. thats overlooked ? and if shaq is the guy who does so much of the work why aren't his rebound #'s better and why aren't his block #'s better. yes he is dominant down low on offense but according to the stats you guys posted it dosen't look like he's working hard enough in other areas
<< <i>as I said before, there would be no clutch without Shaq. Shaq scored 13 of Lakers last 23 points. If Shaq didn't score those, there would have been no clutch time as in every game. Shaq gets them to that clutch point and Kobe hits that final shot. So, Kobe is great for making 1 shot when Shaq gets them to that point? SHAQ is the man in LA. If Shaq would have sat out the rest of the game after getting re-stitched, Lakers would have lost that game. Argure with that one >>
thats what i like to call a team effort. >>
SHAQ does all of the work as usual and never get the credit.
lol look at kobecollectors post and answer that one, MVP of regular season na d finals is not getting credit? maybe they should build a shrine for him and sacrafice all iverson fans for him?
<< <i>i dont understand how shaq is overlooked when last year SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the regular season . SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the all-star game and SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the finals. thats overlooked ? and if shaq is the guy who does so much of the work why aren't his rebound #'s better and why aren't his block #'s better. yes he is dominant down low but according to the stats you guys posted it dosen't look like he's working hard enough in other areas >>
Ummm.. Shaq is a Center. His job is to be dominant down low. It's hard to block a shot if people rarely go up against you. How often do you see people take it to Shaq? How often does Shaq get dunked on vs. other Center... err forget that, dunked on at all? Other than being dominant, Shaq sometimes either get a rebound or steal and leads a fast break. How many centers do you know that can do that? Name one? Shaq is a very rare center, he has 3 things no other center has (height, size, AND coordination). Most centers lack coordination which is why they could never bring the ball down.
<< <i>lol look at kobecollectors post and answer that one, MVP of regular season na d finals is not getting credit? maybe they should build a shrine for him and sacrafice all iverson fans for him? >>
The league recognizes it because stats are set in stone, but apparently Laker fans are in denial and have tunnel vision. They boost up Kobe when Shaq does all the word. Kobe is and will always be #2 in LA unless Shaq leaves or retires.
give it up autobilia youll never convince these guys of the truth there too ignorant
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The reason shaq is second behind kobe is because he is 7'1 and all he does is post up and get rebounds. Sure every once in a while you will see shaq cross someone or lead a fast break and everyone makes a big deal about it cause it doesnt happen that often for him. But kobe crosses3-4 people a game, he has a fast break every other game. HE DUNKED OVER DUNCAN! kobe is a better overall player and he has to work harder then shaq to achieve that. Dont get me wrong i love shaq, i just think kobe is beter overall and has to work harder.
ummm lafrentz is a great shot blocker. but rarely is it his man he blocks. so just because a man dosen't go up against you dosen't mean you cant block more shots. and i realize how rare of a player he is and how talented he is 4 his size. i just see how all these stats are always thrown around and was wondering why his rebounding and blocks aren't as high as others who aren't as dominant. do you think because rebounding and defense are EFFORT categories and maybe shaq dosen't do as much of the work as we all think
<< <i>ummm lafrentz is a great shot blocker. but rarely is it his man he blocks. so just because a man dosen't go up against you dosen't mean you cant block more shots. and i realize how rare of a player he is and how talented he is 4 his size. i just see how all these stats are always thrown around and was wondering why his rebounding and blocks aren't as high as others who aren't as dominant. do you think because rebounding and defense are EFFORT categories and maybe shaq dosen't do as much of the work as we all think >>
So, basically, your argurment is "Why isn't Shaq #1 is ALL defensive categories?". Why isn't Kobe #1 in ANY? Now, that is the question.
now im really confused. 1st it's shaq never gets any of the credit and kobe gets all the glory. and now its " kobe is and always will be # 2 in l.a. which is it..
only difference is i wasn't the one that said kobe " does all the work " you said that about shaq. i was just wondering if he does so much work why aren't his " work stats " up there with his dominant offense stats?
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Points Per Game(25.2) Ranks #17 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3063.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(749.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1597.0) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throws(488.0) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(589.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points(2019.0) Ranks #8 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(1.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.74) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(25.03) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(7.65) Ranks #8 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(9.23) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(31.6)"
Why isn't he in the Top 20 in steals or assists? I didn't say #1. I said Top 20. Other than the 1 triple double he had, all of Kobe's stats deal with scoring and NOTHING about defense. Where is his overall game? Shaq is listed in offensive ANd defense categories. I guess I wait to hear more excuses defending Kobe. That's a shame how much credit you and airKobe gives him and he isn't even in the TOP 20 in any defensive categories.
ummm who made all-nba 2nd team defense ??? with more votes than 1st teamer garnett and who's name wasn't on any team ?????? kind of hard to make that team without doing " any work "
Like i said shaq doesnt have to do anything but post up and he uses his height for everything else. Kobe overall is a better player, you cant measure somethings with stats. Truthfully why do you think we like kobe so much????? just curious
what 2nd option player was named to all nba 1st team sucka??? >>
Ahhh.. whoelse name is on that list?
"Kobe Bryant of the Lakers and Tracy McGrady of the Magic were honored with their first career selections to the All-NBA First Team on Wednesday, May 1. Nets guard Jason Kidd, Spurs forward Tim Duncan and Lakers center Shaquille O'Neal also made the First Team."
lol i know this is sumthing mentioned WAY eirleier but..auto you said he would take a bullet for kobe...woundt you? i would take one for almost anyone elses life..lol sry i ad to say that
<< <i>Like i said shaq doesnt have to do anything but post up and he uses his height for everything else. Kobe overall is a better player, you cant measure somethings with stats. Truthfully why do you think we like kobe so much????? just curious >>
sorry auto but thats not why i like him. i see the hardest working player in b-ball. a guy who dedicates so much time to the game during and after the year and gets his body in great condition every offseason ( unlike 1 guy i can think of ) he has a great all around game, not just dunks and highlights. although they help
I just have to say something...Like I said before, it's a team game and Shaq & Kobe + the other Lakers just happen to be on the same team. Shaq and Kobe are = in my eyes...Shaq has the defense and offense and so does Kobe. Shaq can block shots, Kobe can pick up the loose balls. The only thing I don't get, is why all the non-Laker fans don't give Kobe ANY credit at ALL. Can one of you Kobe haters please just say he's an awesome player?!!??!?!?
and where he gets in trouble is when he tries to take it at the 2nd guy and ends up on the floor instead of pulling up for the jumper. but it's hard to tell a guy thats fearless like iverson to do that
Hate to bring this back to the top but when people say that Iverson is a much better player than Kobe Bryant, then they have been smoking something off the wall! If I had the choice of selecting either Kobe Bryant or Allen Iverson to build my team around, I would choose Bryant. Both players are extremely talented and represent the very best the league has to offer. However, Bryant has a more complete game than Iverson, and when all is said and done, he will have a greater impact on the game. Bryant owns 2 NBA titles and was named to the First Team NBA-Defensive Team in 2000, becoming the youngest player in league history to accomplish such a feat. In addition, he has been named to the All-NBA team the last four (Second Team in 2000-01, Second Team in 1999-00 and Third Team in 1998-99).
It may be argued the preceding accolades do not compare to what Iverson has accomplished, having earned an MVP award and all. I would contend, however, that Bryant is only 23years-old. He is still a kid. At times, he may make some questionable on-court decisions that reflect his age, but you can't argue that his production has increased in each of his five years in the league. Also, we have yet to see Bryant's best game. Imagine how good he will be two years from now, or five years down the road. Scary, isn't it?Defensively, Bryant is a tremendous man-to-man defender. Don't read too much into his defensive stats, which don't necessarily jump out at you. This guy can flat-out defend. He is routinely guarding some of the NBA's best players. His height and athleticism create problems for opposing players and he has already shown that he can shut down the best, including Iverson. In short, I would select Bryant over Iverson because of his potential. In time, he will become an even greater offensive player and a peerless defender. His leadership skills, his basketball I.Q. and his ability to dominate a game will fall into place.
Iverson may be known as "The Answer," but Bryant is the one who formulated the question...
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<< <i>as I said before, there would be no clutch without Shaq. Shaq scored 13 of Lakers last 23 points. If Shaq didn't score those, there would have been no clutch time as in every game. Shaq gets them to that clutch point and Kobe hits that final shot. So, Kobe is great for making 1 shot when Shaq gets them to that point? SHAQ is the man in LA. If Shaq would have sat out the rest of the game after getting re-stitched, Lakers would have lost that game. Argure with that one >>
thats what i like to call a team effort.
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<< <i>as I said before, there would be no clutch without Shaq. Shaq scored 13 of Lakers last 23 points. If Shaq didn't score those, there would have been no clutch time as in every game. Shaq gets them to that clutch point and Kobe hits that final shot. So, Kobe is great for making 1 shot when Shaq gets them to that point? SHAQ is the man in LA. If Shaq would have sat out the rest of the game after getting re-stitched, Lakers would have lost that game. Argure with that one >>
thats what i like to call a team effort. >>
SHAQ does all of the work as usual and never get the credit.
<< <i>i dont understand how shaq is overlooked when last year SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the regular season . SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the all-star game and SHAQ was the one who won mvp of the finals. thats overlooked ? and if shaq is the guy who does so much of the work why aren't his rebound #'s better and why aren't his block #'s better. yes he is dominant down low but according to the stats you guys posted it dosen't look like he's working hard enough in other areas >>
Ummm.. Shaq is a Center. His job is to be dominant down low. It's hard to block a shot if people rarely go up against you. How often do you see people take it to Shaq? How often does Shaq get dunked on vs. other Center... err forget that, dunked on at all? Other than being dominant, Shaq sometimes either get a rebound or steal and leads a fast break. How many centers do you know that can do that? Name one? Shaq is a very rare center, he has 3 things no other center has (height, size, AND coordination). Most centers lack coordination which is why they could never bring the ball down.
<< <i>lol look at kobecollectors post and answer that one, MVP of regular season na d finals is not getting credit? maybe they should build a shrine for him and sacrafice all iverson fans for him? >>
The league recognizes it because stats are set in stone, but apparently Laker fans are in denial and have tunnel vision. They boost up Kobe when Shaq does all the word. Kobe is and will always be #2 in LA unless Shaq leaves or retires.
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<< <i>give it up autobilia youll never convince these guys of the truth there too ignorant >>
Hehehe... I'll just let them argur with nba.com and the stats
<< <i>ummm lafrentz is a great shot blocker. but rarely is it his man he blocks. so just because a man dosen't go up against you dosen't mean you cant block more shots. and i realize how rare of a player he is and how talented he is 4 his size. i just see how all these stats are always thrown around and was wondering why his rebounding and blocks aren't as high as others who aren't as dominant. do you think because rebounding and defense are EFFORT categories and maybe shaq dosen't do as much of the work as we all think >>
So, basically, your argurment is "Why isn't Shaq #1 is ALL defensive categories?". Why isn't Kobe #1 in ANY? Now, that is the question.
"Kobe Bryant
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Points Per Game(25.2)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3063.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(749.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1597.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throws(488.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(589.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points(2019.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(1.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.74)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(25.03)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(7.65)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(9.23)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(31.6)"
Why isn't he in the Top 20 in steals or assists? I didn't say #1. I said Top 20. Other than the 1 triple double he had, all of Kobe's stats deal with scoring and NOTHING about defense. Where is his overall game? Shaq is listed in offensive ANd defense categories. I guess I wait to hear more excuses defending Kobe. That's a shame how much credit you and airKobe gives him and he isn't even in the TOP 20 in any defensive categories.
what 2nd option player was named to all nba 1st team sucka???
THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE
TO AVG ATLEAST 25.5 PPG, 5.5 REBS AND 5.5 ASSISTS IS WHO AUTO"?????????
OVERALL
WHO WAS 1ST ALL NBA FIRST TEAM AND 2ND ALLNBA DEFENSIVE TEAM???
<< <i>hey auto
what 2nd option player was named to all nba 1st team sucka??? >>
Ahhh.. whoelse name is on that list?
"Kobe Bryant of the Lakers and Tracy McGrady of the Magic were honored with their first career selections to the All-NBA First Team on Wednesday, May 1. Nets guard Jason Kidd, Spurs forward Tim Duncan and Lakers center Shaquille O'Neal also made the First Team."
it's like saying only 8 players averaged over 22.1 ppg. why not just 22.0? then it's 10 and it doesn't make the other 8 look as good i guess??
so, be realistic here, and use 5.0, not 5.5
Tracy McGrady: 25.6 PPG, 7.3 RPG (where's kobe??), 5.3 APG
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eat this, nikobe
i guess Francis is a WAY bettre player than Kobe then
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<< <i>Like i said shaq doesnt have to do anything but post up and he uses his height for everything else. Kobe overall is a better player, you cant measure somethings with stats. Truthfully why do you think we like kobe so much????? just curious >>
Highlights (ie. Dunks and fancy moves).
Man don't even mention a crooked eye nikka who cant even hit layups in the playoffs and got outplayed by baron davis sucka
EASTERN CONFRENCE IS WACK
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then lets do this:
No player in the league averaged 5.5 RPG, 5.6 APG and 25.5 PPG
haha kobe isn't there now
that's why you picm 5.0, a round number
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i said "heh", which is TOTALLY different.
ok 5.3 sorry.. he still does it with all the CRAPY players
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NOBODY IN THE LEAGUE AVG 25.5 5.5 REBS AND 5.5 ASSISTS
KOBE WAS THE ONLY 1 FACE IT
AND EVEN IF THE 5.6 ASSISTS WAS THERE...KOBE WAS STILL THE CLOSEST ONE TO IT
HAHAHAHA
<< <i>Highlights (ie. Dunks and fancy moves). >>
then why dont more people like carter, Tmac, and iverson? i personally think they have better "highlights" then kobe
DON'T EVEN COMPARE THE LEVEL OF PLAY OF THE WEST AND EAST MAN
IVERSON AVG 16 POINTS VS THE BLAZERS YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT BUSTER?
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THAT MUST MEAN WHAT???? A BAD GAME EVERY FUKKIN GAME
ever tried shooting over guys about 7-12 inches taller than you?
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eat this, nikobe
KoBe 4 MvP
even when he won allstar mvp and just made everyone look like panzys
it was all shaq though right?
even the year before that kobe lead all scorer and who the west giving the ball 2 at the end?
man this kobe is not good crap is freaking ridiclious
hahaha
KoBe 4 MvP
carol got on my case for postin in the same thread 5 times
It may be argued the preceding accolades do not compare to what Iverson has accomplished, having earned an MVP award and all. I would contend, however, that Bryant is only 23years-old. He is still a kid. At times, he may make some questionable on-court decisions that reflect his age, but you can't argue that his production has increased in each of his five years in the league. Also, we have yet to see Bryant's best game. Imagine how good he will be two years from now, or five years down the road. Scary, isn't it?Defensively, Bryant is a tremendous man-to-man defender. Don't read too much into his defensive stats, which don't necessarily jump out at you. This guy can flat-out defend. He is routinely guarding some of the NBA's best players. His height and athleticism create problems for opposing players and he has already shown that he can shut down the best, including Iverson.
In short, I would select Bryant over Iverson because of his potential. In time, he will become an even greater offensive player and a peerless defender. His leadership skills, his basketball I.Q. and his ability to dominate a game will fall into place.
Iverson may be known as "The Answer," but Bryant is the one who formulated the question...