BBCE Video From Baltimore Last Year - Check out the 2nd video

cincyredlegs

I stumbled on this video the other day. I remember a lot of those items and now wish I had bought more. I bought the 78 wax box he had. I know one of those 71 racks is in Mr. CpaMike's possession. I remember Mike and I debating on whether to buy that 72 Hi number cello for $500.

Couple of other notes:

Notice the amount of 68 and 69 BB wax and cello packs Steve had. I don't remember seeing any of those this year.
79 cello BB boxes - $425
80 cello BB boxes - $395
82 cello BB boxes - $150
83 cello BB boxes - $140
79 wax BB boxes - $425
80 wax BB boxes - $380
82 wax BB boxes - $140
77 wax BB boxes - $1,100

Enjoy the video.

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Mark

ClockworkAngel

1977 for $1100. What did they sell for this year?

cpamike

At the rate things are going, we'll be saying the same thing about this year's National's unopened prices, lol.

70ToppsFanatic

The 1976 Topps wax box in Huggins & Scott just closed for $3555 with the BP. Steve sold one at National for $2.8k and H&S sold one in late June for just short of $3k.
That same box was available from BBCE at $1620 (after 10% discount) just 18 months ago.

We dont seem to have reached a "top" yet, nor is their any signs of the rise taking a small breather.

3BoyzTrading

We have reached the point with 70's material where keeping it sealed is better than breaking it hoping for a handful of tens.

fergie23

We have reached the point with 70's material where keeping it sealed is better than breaking it hoping for a handful of tens.

That has been the case for quite a long time actually.

Robb

mygotta

I would guess as we see a flood of new PSA cards graded in the next year or so you might see some prices level out a bit. I don't see 80's stuff getting too much higher. I would be surprised if an 82 wax box eclipses the $300 mark.

DCanfield

<< <i>1977 for $1100. What did they sell for this year? >>



It would have been nice if they had some 77's but the cupboard was bare. They had one 1977 wax tray which was priced at $250 IIRC.

Mark, thanks for digging up this video. It's amazing what has happened in just 12 months. I can't even fathom what the prices will be in Cleveland. Hold on to your socks!

1954

In almost every situation those boxes have doubled. "but why are these boxes doubling?"- Patrick Bateman.

I agree with Mygotta on the 1983's not going too much north of $300 within the next two years and I would definately agree that some of these boxes in the mid 70's fetching $150+ a pack will eventually slow down the opening of product. I still think the prices for these as packs will remain strong due to the grading and collectiblility of these.

zurbs17

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<< <i>We have reached the point with 70's material where keeping it sealed is better than breaking it hoping for a handful of tens.

That has been the case for quite a long time actually.

Robb >>




Yes, if you're hoping to turnaround and sell the 10s immediately ... and if money is the only consideration. Because this has become even more evident now, with prices of unopened doubling (or tripling) for some issues and forms over what they sold for just last year, I think we will start to see the prices for slabs increasing even more which will then make ripping unopened more attractive to some ... though this increase in slab value will push up the value of unopened also ... so really the slabs will never "catchup" dollar wise IMO ... but then again money isn't everything. >>



If you truly believed money isn't everything you would not have sold those 1979 wrappers and gum.

sportscardtheory

lol

fergie23

Yes, if you're hoping to turnaround and sell the 10s immediately ... and if money is the only consideration. Because this has become even more evident now, with prices of unopened doubling (or tripling) for some issues and forms over what they sold for just last year, I think we will start to see the prices for slabs increasing even more which will then make ripping unopened more attractive to some ... though this increase in slab value will push up the value of unopened also ... so really the slabs will never "catchup" dollar wise IMO ... but then again money isn't everything.

10s? Please the vast majority of pulled cards are 7s and 8s and there will be little to no increase in value for those cards. For most of the mid to late 70s you can not even get grading fees back for 7s and the majority of 8s and many 9s. There is no chance you will see the increase in value for average slabbed cards that you seem to be anticipating. The current run in unopened has almost nothing to do with slabbed card values and ripping hoping for 10s but rather to the huge influx of new collectors/hoarders of unopened material.

You kept pretty good records, what % of 10s did you pull across all of your unopened 78s and 79s? I am not talking about the handful of cards you decided to submit but rather the totality of your unopened cards. The number is going to be astronomically small and quite honestly only a very small handful of those 10s (stars and super low pop/tough cards) have any chance of ever appreciating in value.

Money isn't everything but a reputation certainly is...

Robb

ClockworkAngel

<< <i>Yes, if you're hoping to turnaround and sell the 10s immediately ... and if money is the only consideration. Because this has become even more evident now, with prices of unopened doubling (or tripling) for some issues and forms over what they sold for just last year, I think we will start to see the prices for slabs increasing even more which will then make ripping unopened more attractive to some ... though this increase in slab value will push up the value of unopened also ... so really the slabs will never "catchup" dollar wise IMO ... but then again money isn't everything.

10s? Please the vast majority of pulled cards are 7s and 8s and there will be little to no increase in value for those cards. For most of the mid to late 70s you can not even get grading fees back for 7s and the majority of 8s and many 9s. There is no chance you will see the increase in value for average slabbed cards that you seem to be anticipating. The current run in unopened has almost nothing to do with slabbed card values and ripping hoping for 10s but rather to the huge influx of new collectors/hoarders of unopened material.

You kept pretty good records, what % of 10s did you pull across all of your unopened 78s and 79s? I am not talking about the handful of cards you decided to submit but rather the totality of your unopened cards. The number is going to be astronomically small and quite honestly only a very small handful of those 10s (stars and super low pop/tough cards) have any chance of ever appreciating in value.

Money isn't everything but a reputation certainly is...

Robb >>



Yup. What little unopened that is left out there yields very few 9'a and 10's are almost non existant. I also believe they are both driving each other. The "possibility" of a 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith PSA 10 is helping to drive the unopened up, and the more the stuff is ripped and the more low grade stars that are pulled from 70's stuff, the more people will see how exceptionally rare 10's are.

cincyredlegs

Check out this link from the 2010 show. Look at how many PSA graded wax/cello packs of 50's/60's stuff Steve has. No way people are ripping this stuff. Also, I can't tell what year the cases at the end of the video are but appear to be mid-70's.

BTW, you think Steve could get $13.5K for that 60 Topps wax box now?

2010 National - BBCE Booth

Mark

p.s. Very well said Robb......

elsnorto

<< <i>If you truly believed money isn't everything you would not have sold those 1979 wrappers and gum. >>



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<< <i>Money isn't everything but a reputation certainly is... >>



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<< <i>Yup. What little unopened that is left out there yields very few 9'a and 10's are almost non existant. I also believe they are both driving each other. The "possibility" of a 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith PSA 10 is helping to drive the unopened up, and the more the stuff is ripped and the more low grade stars that are pulled from 70's stuff, the more people will see how exceptionally rare 10's are. >>



I think there is a tendency for many people to assume most others collect as they do. Grading is obviously a huge part of the discussion on these boards, and a large part of the overall hobby, but I would guess most people have minimal or no interest in grading. Does the price of key cards, raw of graded, contribute to the increase in unopened materials? Sure. Is it the only driver? Absolutely not.

One of the challenges is the discussion has largely been based on broad generalizations. For example, rare items like the 1971 Topps cello Tim recently added, probably owe most of their appreciation to the increase in unopened collectors competing for a finite number of pieces. It has virtually nothing to do with the contents. The drivers for 1975 Topps Mini boxes is probably different than 1981 Donruss boxes, with both appreciating in unopened form over the past couple years.

Snorto~

mygotta

From the video in 2010, these were the prices. Close to where they are today with some exceptions.

1981 Fleer $35 ---->$40
1982 Fleer $75 ---->$84
1982 Fleer Cello $80
1983 Fleer $75 --->$85
1983 Fleer Cello $80 ---->$100
1984 Fleer $70 ---->$85
1985 Fleer $75 ----->$145
1985 Fleer Cello $85 ---->$165
1986 Fleer $20 ---->$36
1986 Fleer Cello $25 ---->$38

1981 Donruss $45 ---> $50
1982 Donruss $75 ---->$85
1983 Donruss $70 ---->$85
1984 Donruss $200 --->$250
1985 Donruss $75 ---->$75
1985 Leaf Donruss $65 ---->$55
1986 Donruss $20 --->35
1986 Leaf Donruss $15 ---->$18
1987 Donruss ??

The biggest change is 85 Fleer Cello going from $85 to $165, an $80 increase. What is special about this year of Fleer? Wax boxes have a $70 increase. All in 3 years or less. Others are a $50 increase for 84 Donruss wax, while 85 has remained the same and decreased for Leaf.