Seattle wasn't good enough for the NBA, but this guy and his backroom deals are a-ok!
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<< <i>Ignorance is bliss I suppose. >>
What ignorance? Where was this suspicion when Ray Allen signs for half the price in Miami? So a guy takes a pay cut to go play in a bigger market with better teammates. Isn't that becoming the norm these days? Let's not forget he's already made over $100 million in his career. Maybe in the twilight of his career he'd rather play in a more competitive situation than make a few more bucks?
Or maybe his new owner has given money to his family back in Russia. All just speculation on everyone's part, but let's face it, very few players give up $4 million, especially when the T-Wolves are on the rise. I know he's made $100m (which is criminal BTW), but something seems a little fishy to me.
<<<Where was this suspicion when Ray Allen signs for half the price in Miami?>>>
Because there were other factors contributing to Ray leaving Boston (his frosty relationship with Rondo, the C's trying to trade him mid-season for OJ Mayo)
<<<Isn't that becoming the norm these days?>>>
Other than guys who have made $100m+ in their careers? No, I would not say it is the norm. Name me a guy who has made less than $40m in his career that is taking significantly less for a chance to win?
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Or maybe his new owner has given money to his family back in Russia. All just speculation on everyone's part, but let's face it, very few players give up $4 million, especially when the T-Wolves are on the rise. I know he's made $100m (which is criminal BTW), but something seems a little fishy to me.
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On the rise? When's the last time Minnesota was even competitive? The Nets are competitive right now, and have just added a ton of new talent. Was it criminal to you that Ray Allen signed for $3 million less per year in Miami?
<< <i><<<Where was this suspicion when Ray Allen signs for half the price in Miami?>>>
Because there were other factors contributing to Ray leaving Boston (his frosty relationship with Rondo, the C's trying to trade him mid-season for OJ Mayo) >>
So there couldn't be other factors for AK47?
<< <i><<<Isn't that becoming the norm these days?>>>
Other than guys who have made $100m+ in their careers? No, I would not say it is the norm. Name me a guy who has made less than $40m in his career that is taking significantly less for a chance to win? >>
Why would we set the bar at $40 million? Any good player that's sought after as a chip to win a title is going to have made more than that amount, and we're not talking about a guy who made less than $40 million, we're talking about a guy who has made 2.5 times that amount. These stories leaked from jealous NBA owners. The Nets' owner couldn't possibly care less about $150 million in team salary and payroll - the guy wants to win at any cost, and he has tens of billions in the bank to pay to make it happen. Rival NBA owners are upset that he's driving up player salaries after they did all they could to hammer them down with the last lockout. It was the same gang mentality that went after Jerry Jones in the cap free year before the new CBA took effect.
Until there is any evidence of wrong doing, you're doing nothing but furthering the efforts of *billionaire* NBA owners.
<< <i>If you honestly think there's zero chance he took a low ball offer on paper for extras on the side, good for you. I'm a realist though, and I see the chances of this type of deal happening are very great. >>
What was Ray Allen's extra on the side? You can't believe one story without believing both!
<< <i>What backroom deals? A guy decides to leave a perpetually losing team in god-awful Minnesota to live in the big city and play for a much better equipped team in the Nets, and suddenly the team owner is 'crooked'? Why wasn't this type of accusation levied at the Heat when Ray Allen signed for half as what Boston was going to pay him? >>
The article does mention San Antonio looking to sign him for a lot more than what he took from Brooklyn, so there were definitely options outside of Minnesota
As I understand the difference between Kirilenko and Allen is that AK was originally asking for $24 million from other teams before accepting $6.5 million. For Allen, he was never asking for a higher pay check, it was simply being offered
Do a lot fans or management believe these sort of back room deals go on often even if never caught? Or if there is truth to these allegations would it be a rare occurrence?
Sorry, fellas, but Prokohorov is not going to risk this much trouble for someone like Kirilenko, a guy who put up 12 points and 5 boards a game, someone who will be a 7th or 8th guy off the bench, no matter how much you want it to be true. Seriously, guys, you think the team owner is going to risk that much for Kirilenko?
as a picky sidenote, 5.7 boards rounds up to 6, not down to 5.
<< <i>Absolutely a solid contributor but anyone suggesting that Prokohorov would go out of his way to break league rules for him is grasping at conspiracy straws. >>
Teams would only do that for great players like Joe Smith
<< <i>Absolutely a solid contributor but anyone suggesting that Prokohorov would go out of his way to break league rules for him is grasping at conspiracy straws. >>
I'm with you there.
I never said anything was criminal about Allen signing with Miami. I said it was criminal that AK47 has made $100M during a mediocre career.
We don't have to set the bar anywhere in particular, I just need to know who all these guys are that are taking less money to compete for a title? Other than Ray Allen, who has made $180m in his career, and AK47, I don't know of another player that has taken significantly less money to play for a contender.
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<< <i>Absolutely a solid contributor but anyone suggesting that Prokohorov would go out of his way to break league rules for him is grasping at conspiracy straws. >>
+1
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<< <i>Do you really think Prokorov cares about NBA rules? The guy built his empire by making shady deals, and he's admitted as much. So, yes, I do think he'd risk backlash from Stern for circumventing league rules for a bench/role player.
I never said anything was criminal about Allen signing with Miami. I said it was criminal that AK47 has made $100M during a mediocre career.
We don't have to set the bar anywhere in particular, I just need to know who all these guys are that are taking less money to compete for a title? Other than Ray Allen, who has made $180m in his career, and AK47, I don't know of another player that has taken significantly less money to play for a contender. >>
Lebron and Bosh both took pay cuts to play in Miami. Dwight Howard left $30 million on the table by signing with Houston instead of LA. There's plenty of folks who have signed for less money to play with a better cast/better situation/better location. It's comical for people to be so misled by the sports media that they would blatantly follow these rumors, despite there being absolutely NOTHING to fabricate said rumors, other than the owner's past in Russian oil.
Where was this supposed backroom talk when Ray Allen signed for a 50% discount? He was offered twice as much to stay in Boston as going to Miami. Where was your call for illegal deals then?