A couple of Vintage Baseball Pick Ups with Questions

Fergman78 · June 22, 2013 11:06PM

I participated in an auction yesterday and picked up 4 Baseballs. 2 that are not pictured are a 1971 Cardinals Team Ball and a 1954 Columbus Red Bird Ball. Will post these when I receive them. The other two are a 1951 Cuba Winter League All Star Ball and what I think is a 1946 Red Sox team ball. The Sox ball was listed as an Old Timers AL vs NL ball but upon researching the names it appears a Red Sox Team Ball. The auction also had a 1946 Cardinals Ball so im guessing they were both signed during the World Series. That may have been a "Steal" at $20 since it was mislabeled. My question is can anyone help identify names on the Winter League ball. I paid $55 for it which may be a little high but I just thought it was a really interesting item.

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Griffins · June 23, 2013 12:14AM

Ball 3 looks like Mace Brown, Bill Zuber and Johnny Pesky.

scmavl · June 23, 2013 12:39AM

Bob Skinner in the 2nd pic.

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 1:33AM

<< Ball 3 looks like Mace Brown, Bill Zuber and Johnny Pesky. >>

I had those but the name above Mace I'm having trouble with.

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 1:36AM

<< Bob Skinner in the 2nd pic. >>

Thanks for Skinner. I really haven't had time to thoroughly examine that ball yet. I spent most of last night looking up the Sox ball and the Redbirds ball.

MithrilMan · June 23, 2013 1:46AM

For the Cuba ball: Don Zimmer on sweet spot perhaps? Maybe this link helpful?

Cuba 51-52

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 3:19AM

<< For the Cuba ball: Don Zimmer on sweet spot perhaps? Maybe this link helpful?

Cuba 51-52 >>

Thanks for the link. It will definitely be helpful.

pomobileclk · June 23, 2013 3:24AM

I think it's a 1972 San Diego Padres ball as I see Curt Blefary, Larry Stahl, Ed Acosta, Jerry Morales, Fred Stanley. Don Zimmer was the manager

DoctorK · June 23, 2013 3:30AM

<< I think it's a 1972 San Diego Padres ball as I see Curt Blefary, Larry Stahl, Ed Acosta, Jerry Morales, Fred Stanley. Don Zimmer was the manager >>

Clay Kirby at the top of the last pic was also part of the '72 Padres team.

MithrilMan · June 23, 2013 3:48AM

Yep you are definitely right, see bunches of these guys on there:

72 Padres

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 4:05AM

This puts an interesting twist on things. 2 mislabeled balls.

SDSportsFan · June 23, 2013 4:43AM

Definitely a 1972 Padre ball. I see the following signatures:

Mark Schaeffer (with Padres 1972 only)
Bob Skinner (coach)
Roger Craig (coach)
Jarry Jesdadt (1972 was last year with Padres)
Fred Stanley (with Padres 1972 only)
Curt Blefary (with Padres 1972 only)
Dave Garcia (coach)
Whitey Wietelmann (coach)
Jerry Morales
John Jeter (1972 was last year with Padres)
Gary Ross
Dave Roberts
Bill Greif
Cito Gaston
Ed Spiezio (1972 was last year with team)
Larry Stahl (1972 was last year with team)
Rafael Orlando Robles (1972 was last year with team)
Derrel Thomas (1972 was first year with team)
Clay Kirby
Steve Arlin
Pat Corrales
Enzo Hernandez
Ed Acosta
Leron Lee
Don Zimmer (manager) (1972 was first year with team)
Nate Colbert
Mike Corkins

Steve

SDSportsFan · June 23, 2013 4:59AM

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<< Ball 3 looks like Mace Brown, Bill Zuber and Johnny Pesky. >>

I had those but the name above Mace I'm having trouble with. >>

Above Mace Brown, I believe is Earl Johnson. He pitched for the Red Sox in 1940-41, and again from 1946-1950.

Below Brown is Roy Partee, Bill Zuber and Johnny Pesky.

The first photo of the Red Sox ball is Dom DiMaggio, Tex Hughson and Bobby Doerr.

Photo #4 of the Sox ball is Rip Russell, Joe Dobson, Mike Ryba, John Lazor and Paul Campbell.

Steve

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 5:03AM

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<< Ball 3 looks like Mace Brown, Bill Zuber and Johnny Pesky. >>

I had those but the name above Mace I'm having trouble with. >>

Above Mace Brown, I believe is Earl Johnson. He pitched for the Red Sox in 1940-41, and again from 1946-1950.

Steve >>

Thank you. I really hope when the ball comes in Williams and Cronin are there. As far as authenticity goes, do these balls look legit? They came from the Vern and Randy Benson collection.

lostdart58 · June 23, 2013 5:12AM

Below Mace Brown is Roy Partee ( backup catcher)

Other '46 panel is:

Rip Russell
Joe Dobson
Mike Ryba
Johnny Lazor
Paul Campbell

SDSportsFan · June 23, 2013 5:19AM

<< Thank you. I really hope when the ball comes in Williams and Cronin are there. As far as authenticity goes, do these balls look legit? They came from the Vern and Randy Benson collection. >>

The Padre ball looks completely legit. I checked it against a couple Padre baseballs in my collection, and the signatures match up nicely.

Steve

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 7:12AM

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<< Thank you. I really hope when the ball comes in Williams and Cronin are there. As far as authenticity goes, do these balls look legit? They came from the Vern and Randy Benson collection. >>

The Padre ball looks completely legit. I checked it against a couple Padre baseballs in my collection, and the signatures match up nicely.

Steve >>

Thanks for checking.

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 10:17AM

As i study the pictures of The Red Sox ball looks like it is signed on a Charles Feeney ball which means it was signed in the 70's. I'm guessing at some point the 1946 Team was honored and Benson got the ball signed at that event??

MooseDog · June 23, 2013 11:34AM

<< I really hope when the ball comes in Williams and Cronin are there. As far as authenticity goes, do these balls look legit? They came from the Vern and Randy Benson collection. >>

They are all good from what I see.

SDSportsFan · June 23, 2013 11:37AM

<< As i study the pictures of The Red Sox ball looks like it is signed on a Charles Feeney ball which means it was signed in the 70's. I'm guessing at some point the 1946 Team was honored and Benson got the ball signed at that event?? >>

I would guess it was signed at a 25th Anniversary gathering in 1971. Chub Feeney became National League President in 1970, and Mike Ryba died December 13th, 1971.

Edited to add that it probably was signed at an old-timers game or WS reunion in St Louis in 1971. That would fit with it being a NL baseball, the fact that Vern Benson was a Cardinals coach that season, and also the 1946 and 1971 Cardinals balls in the group you picked up. Also, Ryba died in Missouri, so his being in St Louis would not have been a stretch.

Steve

Fergman78 · June 23, 2013 10:43PM

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<< As i study the pictures of The Red Sox ball looks like it is signed on a Charles Feeney ball which means it was signed in the 70's. I'm guessing at some point the 1946 Team was honored and Benson got the ball signed at that event?? >>

I would guess it was signed at a 25th Anniversary gathering in 1971. Chub Feeney became National League President in 1970, and Mike Ryba died December 13th, 1971.

Edited to add that it probably was signed at an old-timers game or WS reunion in St Louis in 1971. That would fit with it being a NL baseball, the fact that Vern Benson was a Cardinals coach that season, and also the 1946 and 1971 Cardinals balls in the group you picked up. Also, Ryba died in Missouri, so his being in St Louis would not have been a stretch.

Steve >>

I believe you are correct. I just googled 25th Anniversary of 46 World Series and found an article about Dom DiMaggio putting on the Red Sox Uniform one last time at an event in St. Louis to celebrate the 25th Anniversary.

The item I really wanted but went a little too high for me was an old timers ball signed by Feller, Banks, Maris, Mays, Aaron, Eddie Mathews, Lemon, McCovey and others. It sold for $625 which I thought was a great deal but more than I could spend. A Game Used Musial Glove went for over $15K and Dizzy Dean's original offer letter and contract went for close to 4K.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me out. It's nice to be able to come to a board and get real answers and people willing to help out and not just give smart ass answers like some other boards I belong to.

Fergman78 · June 24, 2013 9:39AM

Just got off the phone with the auctioneer and I told him the pictures of the Cuba ball was a San Diego Padres ball and he told me not to go by the pictures and I will definitely receiving the Cuba Ball so we shall see Friday or Saturday.

A couple of Vintage Baseball Pick Ups with Questions

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