'93 SP Group Rip Jeter-Evidence of Trimming-huh?
flatfoot816
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last group rip I was lucky enough to get the '93 SP Jeter. Within 15 seconds it was in a CS-1 and top loader.
I posted that the card looked absolutely perfect and subbed it, along with an '84 Marino that was pulled from a group rip last year.
well the results came back...
61 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1993 SP 279 DEREK JETER FOIL
62 1 MINT 9 1984 TOPPS 123 DAN MARINO
I know that a few rips ago someone got a Jordan rookie and the same thing happened. If I recall correctly he contacted Joe O and had it corrected.
I mean this card IS PERFECT--maybe PSA thought it was too perfect.
Anyway, I need to get it corrected--any advice?
Also, I wanted to retrieve the thread to prove to PSA that it was from that rip...but I cannot locate the thread. Where it at?
I posted that the card looked absolutely perfect and subbed it, along with an '84 Marino that was pulled from a group rip last year.
well the results came back...
61 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1993 SP 279 DEREK JETER FOIL
62 1 MINT 9 1984 TOPPS 123 DAN MARINO
I know that a few rips ago someone got a Jordan rookie and the same thing happened. If I recall correctly he contacted Joe O and had it corrected.
I mean this card IS PERFECT--maybe PSA thought it was too perfect.
Anyway, I need to get it corrected--any advice?
Also, I wanted to retrieve the thread to prove to PSA that it was from that rip...but I cannot locate the thread. Where it at?
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Jeff
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Try Beckett. Maybe it's Pristine? >>
I have experienced great re-subs to BGS when PSA is unable to grade. I agree, send it there. a 9.5 would be nice.
<< <i>Try Beckett. Maybe it's Pristine? >>
+1
Had same issue with the same card with PSA. Mine is at Beckett right now and should pop within 3 or so days.
Justin
Retired - Eddie Mathews Master Registry Set (96.36%) Rank 1
<< <i>I'm betting it's probably undersized or otherwise doesn't measure up. >>
Evidence of trimming means exactly that-regardless of the size of the card. PSA will reject a card for "MIN SIZE REQ" if it is too small but there is no evidence of trimming. It's the pits either way.
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>last group rip I was lucky enough to get the '93 SP Jeter. Within 15 seconds it was in a CS-1 and top loader.
I posted that the card looked absolutely perfect and subbed it, along with an '84 Marino that was pulled from a group rip last year.
well the results came back...
61 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1993 SP 279 DEREK JETER FOIL
62 1 MINT 9 1984 TOPPS 123 DAN MARINO
I know that a few rips ago someone got a Jordan rookie and the same thing happened. If I recall correctly he contacted Joe O and had it corrected.
I mean this card IS PERFECT--maybe PSA thought it was too perfect.
Anyway, I need to get it corrected--any advice?
Also, I wanted to retrieve the thread to prove to PSA that it was from that rip...but I cannot locate the thread. Where it at? >>
LOL!!! I am very sorry that you got this grade on your card. However, the notion that you can reach out to Joe to "have it corrected" is laughable. If Joe responded to inquiries like that and just took your word for it because you're a good guy and changed the grade on your card.....then that would make PSA a very untrustworthy and unreliable grading company. Also, in reference to your comment that another board member was able to reach out to Joe and "have it corrected", I'd like to see that thread resurface so I can read through it. If that really happened, then shame on PSA. But I doubt it happened.
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LOL!!! I am very sorry that you got this grade on your card. However, the notion that you can reach out to Joe to "have it corrected" is laughable. If Joe responded to inquiries like that and just took your word for it because you're a good guy and changed the grade on your card.....then that would make PSA a very untrustworthy and unreliable grading company. Also, in reference to your comment that another board member was able to reach out to Joe and "have it corrected", I'd like to see that thread resurface so I can read through it. If that really happened, then shame on PSA. But I doubt it happened. >>
Actually I do recall the thread the OP is talking about, unable to find it in a search at the moment though...
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LOL!!! I am very sorry that you got this grade on your card. However, the notion that you can reach out to Joe to "have it corrected" is laughable. If Joe responded to inquiries like that and just took your word for it because you're a good guy and changed the grade on your card.....then that would make PSA a very untrustworthy and unreliable grading company. Also, in reference to your comment that another board member was able to reach out to Joe and "have it corrected", I'd like to see that thread resurface so I can read through it. If that really happened, then shame on PSA. But I doubt it happened. >>
Actually I do recall the thread the OP is talking about, unable to find it in a search at the moment though... >>
It did happen. Leathtech subbed the Jordan and it came back evidtrim so he contacted Joe and upon resubmitting the catd it came back psa 9 iirc.
Evidtrim is an opinion that can be based on a number of factors including dimension and size of the card though short or narrow catds are usually attributed minsizereq. I would just resubmit as it's very possible it may grade second time around. I would agree that reaching out to Joe to have it "corrected" doesn't seem proper.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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LOL!!! I am very sorry that you got this grade on your card. However, the notion that you can reach out to Joe to "have it corrected" is laughable. If Joe responded to inquiries like that and just took your word for it because you're a good guy and changed the grade on your card.....then that would make PSA a very untrustworthy and unreliable grading company. Also, in reference to your comment that another board member was able to reach out to Joe and "have it corrected", I'd like to see that thread resurface so I can read through it. If that really happened, then shame on PSA. But I doubt it happened. >>
Actually I do recall the thread the OP is talking about, unable to find it in a search at the moment though... >>
It did happen. Leathtech subbed the Jordan and it came back evidtrim so he contacted Joe and upon resubmitting the catd it came back psa 9 iirc.
Evidtrim is an opinion that can be based on a number of factors including dimension and size of the card though short or narrow catds are usually attributed minsizereq. I would just resubmit as it's very possible it may grade second time around. I would agree that reaching out to Joe to have it "corrected" doesn't seem proper. >>
The suggestion above was that the card was regraded and had the EOT removed because the submitter spoke to Joe and let him know that the card was part of a group rip here on the board, thus somehow diminishing the possibility that the card could have been trimmed. That is the cause and effect that I disagree with. If someone cracked and resubbed and got a better result without placing a call into PSA, I'm fine with that. But it appears that some lobbying went on in the background. Total BS.
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Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
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The suggestion above was that the card was regraded and had the EOT removed because the submitter spoke to Joe and let him know that the card was part of a group rip here on the board, thus somehow diminishing the possibility that the card could have been trimmed. That is the cause and effect that I disagree with. If someone cracked and resubbed and got a better result without placing a call into PSA, I'm fine with that. But it appears that some lobbying went on in the background. Total BS. >>
That's pretty much what happened, had it corrected before it shipped back. It was a few years ago, not sure the thread exists still or not, from what I can find it was 2007 or before that it happened.
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<< <i>It's not like referencing the thread to PSA would make any difference. Who's to say you didn't trim it after ripping it from the pack in the group rip before submitting? Obviously that didn't happen, just saying referencing a thread doesn't show PSA anything. I think you're screwed. The others are right...BGS is your best bet. PSA can be harsh. They gave me a EOT on a gorgeous Reggie Jackson Rookie that is a 9 at BGS >>
Don't be so sure... here is the Jordan RC referenced by the OP:
Leathtech set up this group rip.
Leathtech hit a Jordan rookie.
Leathtech submits Jordan to PSA.
PSA deems it EOT.
Leathtech pleads his case with Joe Orlando.
Leathtech announces it now resides in a PSA 9 slab.
If I recall correctly, that this card apparently came from a CU group rip played no small part in getting it into a slab.
That whole thing never sat right with me IF, in fact, the CU group rip played any part in getting it there.
In a perfect world, a perfect grading company would be agnostic to all matters aside from the card's attributes they are grading, including submitter or origin.
That said, we certainly know it isn't unheard of for a card to receive EOT in one visit to Newport Beach and a grade the next.
The Jeter is probably worth resubmitting for another opinion.
Snorto~
Edit: In the time if took me to create the above diatribe, someone else posted the link to the entire thread. I included the relevant page numbers to help save time. YOU'RE WELCOME!
What's next, a guy that sells packs also authenticating packs, and then selling those slabbed packs?
<< <i>The suggestion above was that the card was regraded and had the EOT removed because the submitter spoke to Joe and let him know that the card was part of a group rip here on the board, thus somehow diminishing the possibility that the card could have been trimmed. That is the cause and effect that I disagree with. If someone cracked and resubbed and got a better result without placing a call into PSA, I'm fine with that. But it appears that some lobbying went on in the background. Total BS. >>
And keep in mind, Leathtech was the one who set up the group rip (read: box selection) and the box apparently yielded an usually high number of Jordan RCs (4 vs. the "normal" 2-3).
So what's to stop anyone from taking a trimmed card that was rejected as EOT, set up a group rip with that same product, claim we pulled the magic card, and get that EOT card into a (graded) slab based on our word it came from a CU group rip so it MUST be good?
I am not saying Leathtech did any such thing, but if the CU rip played any role in PSA's decision, that sets a very bad precedence that invites all kinds of problems.
Snorto~
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