1965 SMS68 Dime -- Is is CAM or not?

DMWJR

Pardon my ignorance, but I have a 1965 SMS dime in SMS68 and I don't know if it could be designated as a CAM or not. By all counts, this appears to be a "cameo" to me. I know that an SMS couldn't exhibit the same look as standard CAM proof, but how do I know before I send it for a regrade?

Can the frost be broken? There are two very very small places where the frost appears to be slightly broken on the jaw, but there are no marks on which would affect the grade. I don't know when PCGS started making the CAM designation on SMS coins, so could that be why it is not designated as such? It is in a blue holder, but not with a bar code.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Doug

CarlWohlforth

Doug, those SMS coins can indeed look just like a proof coin. You need to see a similar amount of frost as on a proof coin. Yours sounds nice. Can you post a scan?

DMWJR

I will post a picture tonight. Maybe my experience is somewhat lacking with SMS Cameo coins. It definately has a "proof like" look with frost on all the devices, and although the fields are not "deep," they are reflective.

I could be spoiled from looking at DCAMs and silver CAMs. To me there is a difference in appearance. This one is certainly frosty, and my question probably should have been phrased "How frosty is enough for the designation?"

Thanks Carl, hopefully I can snap a picture good enough to shed some light on this. I already know that I can't take a picture of tone worth a darn, but I haven't tried this yet.

Doug

Roosevelt Circulation 1946-1964 - Tied for 2nd (100%)
Roosevelt Proof 1950-1964 - Tied for 3rd (100%)
Roosevelt Circulation 1965-Present - 2nd (94%)
Roosevelt Proof 1965-Present - soon to be added with 7 PR70DCAMs

CarlWohlforth

Here is a scan of a '67 Jeff in Cam. I don't have any SMS Rooseys.

DMWJR

Here's the photo, which doesn't do the coin justice.

grip

DMWJR,
Looks like youe lens /scanned is full of lint?Looks like it was blasted in a desert storm.
On a serious note i cant tell.Al

DMWJR

Hah! It was 257kb and I had to resize it down to 38kb to attach it. I really struggle with the photos. Maybe I should get a scanner. Like I said, the picture doesn't do it justice.

It is just one of those "fine line" coins. I really don't want to throw away $30 on it, but it could be worth it if it slabs CAM. But then again, the coin is still going to be the same coin and I'm not taking it out of my collection anytime soon.

Maybe I'll just write CAM on the slab myself and put it back in the box . . .

CarlWohlforth

Just write cam on it. I think they were giving cam out for SMS coins back through to the green labels, though I'm sure condor101 or many others could say with more authority. It looks nice, but isn't DCAM or anything. Are those flecks flow lines or dust or what?

cladking

I've seen 2 SMS coins which look like they've been struck twice, and have heard of
a few others. This would fulfill all the definitions of a proof. One I've seen is cameo.