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ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
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How's NGC's grading compared to PCGS in the Buff series, specifically Mint state? I'm looking to cross a NGC 65 to PCGS. The coin has amazing luster.........what's my chances of crossing?image

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  • capecape Posts: 1,621 ✭
    Send an image ..... and i'll let you know
    ed rodrigues
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How's NGC's grading compared to PCGS in the Buff series, specifically Mint state? I'm looking to cross a NGC 65 to PCGS. The coin has amazing luster.........what's my chances of crossing?image >>



    Just based on the averages and nothing to do with the coin, I'd say at best a 25% chance. Even with killer luster you still need the coin to be solid for the grade in total marks, eye
    appeal and strike as well.

    Now that you've posted a photo of a 13-s type 1, I'd say less than 15-20% odds of a cross. Doesn't look to have great luster and it does have several obvious hits. I just don't see this
    coin crossing as it doesn't jump off the page at me like a solid to higher end MS65 would. PCGS would be even tougher for a cross on a better date like this.
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  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    image >>



    Respectfully, if that coin has amazing luster, the pics don't show it well. I would put odds of a cross to PCGS 65 at almost nil if done in the holder. Outside the holder and if the luster's better than shown, there's a chance.
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep, I'm a bad pitcher takerimage
  • CoinMan1012CoinMan1012 Posts: 379
    Noooo way. Sorry.
    Taylor
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  • capecape Posts: 1,621 ✭
    Sorry Chris ..... the coin doesn't appear to have enough luster. BUT THE GOOD NEWS....... MS64 + 2 feather
    ed rodrigues
  • CoinMan1012CoinMan1012 Posts: 379


    << <i>Sorry Chris ..... the coin doesn't appear to have enough luster. BUT THE GOOD NEWS....... MS64 + 2 feather >>


    I forgot about that. 2 feathers defiantly.
    taylor
    Just do it.
  • 66WhiteFBL66WhiteFBL Posts: 214 ✭

    An NGC MS65 usually crosses-----------to a PCGS MS64

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  • TwoFeathersTwoFeathers Posts: 50 ✭✭
    I'm about 0 for 6 in getting NGC Buffs to cross at the same grade.

    How would you compare this NGC MS65 2-feather, No F to your recently sold PCGS MS64? I almost pulled the trigger on this one when you had it on eBay, lol.
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  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    No on the cross...but a very nice 2 feather.
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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The rim dings bother me.
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    As with the saying, "ownership is worth a point," I think both NGC and PCGS detract a point from the grade of a coin in a rival holder when considering whether to cross. With buffalo nickels, anyway. No way to quantify or prove this, but I believe it to be true--especially with gem-quality pieces.
    image
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well I got the news today. It crossed at 65. I guess the lesson is that you can't grade from pics and notions of bias are sillyimage



    Order #20704206 / Submission #4791031
    Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
    1 1 277566xx 3917 1913-S 5C Type 1 USA MS65
    Total Items: 1
    Date Received: 5/10/2013
    Date Shipped: 5/20/2013
  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats!

    Erik
  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,824 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well I got the news today. It crossed at 65. I guess the lesson is that you can't grade from pics and notions of bias are sillyimage



    Order #20704206 / Submission #4791031
    Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
    1 1 277566xx 3917 1913-S 5C Type 1 USA MS65
    Total Items: 1
    Date Received: 5/10/2013
    Date Shipped: 5/20/2013 >>



    I think it just proves that you need to improve your picture taking abilities. image Congrats on the cross
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats on the cross.

    I'll disagree about the lesson though. Something that happened once gives you zero ability to predict what happen the next time.
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Congrats on the cross.

    I'll disagree about the lesson though. Something that happened once gives you zero ability to predict what happen the next time. >>


    Yeah, I agree. One instance is statistically insignificant. It is very plausible to grade correctly from images.
  • CoinMan1012CoinMan1012 Posts: 379
    Nothing to see here.image
    Just do it.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Good strike, clean surfaces, I don't see why not. My only concern would be the rim nicks at 3:00 on the obverse.

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  • buffnutbuffnut Posts: 933
    Nice! I've had luck cracking and resubmitting, but never tried the crossover bit.

    And a 2 feather to boot- which dramatically increases the value and interest factor.

    Congrats!
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  • abitofthisabitofthatabitofthisabitofthat Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing to see here.image >>



    Taylor - I hope that is a rootbeer emoticon. image

    merse

  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well I got the news today. It crossed at 65. I guess the lesson is that you can't grade from pics and notions of bias are sillyimage



    Order #20704206 / Submission #4791031
    Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
    1 1 277566xx 3917 1913-S 5C Type 1 USA MS65
    Total Items: 1
    Date Received: 5/10/2013
    Date Shipped: 5/20/2013 >>

    Meh! Not necessarily silly.

    The person that won 590 million in the Power Ball probably thought it was a little silly to buy another ticket but s/he went for it.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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  • dbcoindbcoin Posts: 2,200 ✭✭
    10 day turnaround. What service level did you use?
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It certainly has to be among the finest known for the variety. Congratulations! Now we have to get it listed in the next edition of the CPG so it can be properly attributed.
  • sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭
    Congratulations!!
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations!
    Certainly cause for celebrationimage

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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks guys! Here's a little better pic, in the new holder. Still not great but a little better pic.

    image
  • moosesrmoosesr Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭
    Congratulations!!

    I think in a lot of cases both NGC and PCGS detract a point or so from the grade of a coin in a rival holder when considering whether to cross.

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