BVG grading adventure
sonorason
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Earlier this year, I purchased a high end card that was slabbed and graded 8.5 by Beckett BVG grading services. The sub grades totaled a score higher than 8.5 and the dealer who sold me the card agreed with me that the card would likely grade a 9 if re-submitted. So, I carefully cracked the case, re-sleeved the card, documented the cracking process in photographs and sent the card back to Beckett. The final grade I received was "card restored." I immediately contacted Beckett and stated my concern (aka) disbelief with the contact person I was referred too.
The evidence I submitted to this person most likely would have held up in court, according to a friend of mine who is an attorney. I was prepared to take this route had my loss exceeded the approximately $900 in purchase price, postage and submission fees. Thankfully, this was not a $5000 card, so the end result is a bit easier to swallow. What IS difficult to accept is the accusatory nature of the last message I received from the Beckett contact person It’s still difficult to believe our graders would grade this card an 8.5, as any hobbyist can determine this with a naked eye, as I did. IMO, only a sociopath would go to such lengths to create such an elaborate con and apparently, the good folks at Beckett place me in that category.
My point is this. Think long and hard before you decide to re-submit a card that's been graded and slabbed.
The evidence I submitted to this person most likely would have held up in court, according to a friend of mine who is an attorney. I was prepared to take this route had my loss exceeded the approximately $900 in purchase price, postage and submission fees. Thankfully, this was not a $5000 card, so the end result is a bit easier to swallow. What IS difficult to accept is the accusatory nature of the last message I received from the Beckett contact person It’s still difficult to believe our graders would grade this card an 8.5, as any hobbyist can determine this with a naked eye, as I did. IMO, only a sociopath would go to such lengths to create such an elaborate con and apparently, the good folks at Beckett place me in that category.
My point is this. Think long and hard before you decide to re-submit a card that's been graded and slabbed.
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I know it's too late for this situation, but there is the option of having a graded card re-graded, it costs a little more but situations like this could be avoided.
Typical of a buyer that is more concerned with the label than the actual card.
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I doubt there is one person who has purchased cards to crack out and not had it come back in a disappointing fashion at least once. Perhaps many more times.
Third party graders are essentially rendering an opinion at that moment in time. Good luck with your lawsuit. LOL
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My apologies to the board for not introducing myself first. I see this place as a great resource to increase my knowledge about sports card collecting. It was never my intent to complain about this issue. I only wanted to contribute something that may prevent others from making the same mistake I did. Your insight is appreciated and I thank you all for the feedback.
Look the card over well. If it looks good to you send it to another grading company. If it is obviously altered as they said you have a tough decision to simply eat it or keep the pressure on those who completely blew it.
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Look the card over well. If it looks good to you send it to another grading company. If it is obviously altered as they said you have a tough decision to simply eat it or keep the pressure on those who completely blew it. >>
Say you had a 1978 Topps PSA 9 card, you crack it, do a little cosmetic surgery, sub it and if comes back altered. Then you complain and say but it was a 9 see I have a picture and the grading company will just take it back or refund you? Could you imagine how many unethical people would do this with 1978 Topps?
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Typical of a buyer that is more concerned with the label than the actual card.
I don't feel one bit sorry for you.
You made the bed, now sleep in it >>
Really, do you gamble? some of us like the thrill, that applies to submitting graded cards, stocks, PM's, you name it.
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<< <i>Once again I am amazed at how "collectors" continue to play this foolish game with TPGing.
Typical of a buyer that is more concerned with the label than the actual card.
I don't feel one bit sorry for you.
You made the bed, now sleep in it >>
Really, do you gamble? some of us like the thrill, that applies to submitting graded cards, stocks, PM's, you name it. >>
Wow I kinda suspected. Anyway this explains a whole lot of the behavior and comments here, particularly that one dude from NY who works himself into and beyond a Don West-esque frenzy on you tube videos sweating and squeeling up a storm tearing open packs or digging through a friends old collection.