1980 Topps Baseball Wax Pack Rip...and a Vending Box

Nikklos · April 25, 2013 1:53AM

Hey guys - figured I have run the gamut of pack ripping so thought I would turn to 1980 Topps for my fix this time. Hoping for some nice Ryans and Hendersons.

Setting up this thread now and getting the packs from BBCE tomorrow. Will post results!

totallyradd · April 25, 2013 1:57AM

Good luck to you sir! Remember to save the wrappers and gum!

Nikklos · April 25, 2013 2:40AM

I don't even like to touch that gum! The older, the grosser.

But the wrappers - I have saved every one since I was a kid. And I saved them with the thought that "one day people may want these". Boy how right I was!

stormtrooper80 · April 25, 2013 2:43AM

Whatever you do, DO NOT flatten out the wrappers. Make sure they keep their natural curves and creases.

cpamike · April 25, 2013 2:44AM

<< Whatever you do, DO NOT flatten out the wrappers. Make sure they keep their natural curves and creases. >>

Oh crap.

tsalems1 · April 25, 2013 4:04AM

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<< Hey guys - figured I have run the gamut of pack ripping so thought I would turn to 1980 Topps for my fix this time. Hoping for some nice Ryans and Hendersons.

Setting up this thread now and getting the packs from BBCE tomorrow. Will post results! >>

Good luck with your rip! You did quite well with your '78s so here's hoping you do the same with these '80s! >>

Huh!? Did somebody say something?

cpamike · April 25, 2013 4:36AM

It was nothing Tom. Back to the anticipation.

Nikklos · April 27, 2013 4:02AM

So my 15 1980 packs arrived. Most of them smelled like they'd been dunked in water around 1983. And the gum, man, nobody would want to buy this gum...No Hendersons, no Ryans. Yet all was not lost. Some highlights.

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VERY HIGH POP - I think a 10 is worth 5 bucks
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BORBON is TOUGH

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I think a 10 is worth a buck!

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I was wrong - there was a Ryan!

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Another Murph - there were a lot of doubles and repeated sequences for 15 random loose packs.

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Happy to get a Rose of any sort!

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There are 10,000 PSA 10 Raus.

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The Holy Grail of 1980 Low Pop Commons!

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I am working on a run of hand-picked, self-slabbed Molitor 10s.

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If only it was a year earlier.

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I'll sub it what the heck

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There are more 10s of this card than Griffey rookies.

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Never seen a better '80 Fingers

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Random elite players not suitable for grading.

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LOW POP GEM!

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Low pop.

So after 15 packs, this is what goes to PSA:

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stormtrooper80 · April 27, 2013 4:46AM

Those cards look pretty nice considering what that pack looked like. BBCE sells stuff like that?? Kind of surpising

This is my favorite set of all time. It's fun ripping those packs/boxes....getting pricier and pricier though. I ripped a bunch of it 4-5 years ago. Let me know if you need any high end singles for a set.

MintMoondog · April 27, 2013 6:06AM

Thanks for sharing...I like the Ozzie "swinging with my eyes shut" pic. It is still hard for me to think of these cards as expensive and increasingly htf

Gemyanks10 · April 27, 2013 6:06AM

Awesome pulls! Especially like the Murphy's and the Jim Palmer's. I've been looking for a PSA 10 Jim Palmer for awhile and have never found one, if you ever plan on selling I would love to have one if you plan on grading them

Jimmy

cpamike · April 27, 2013 8:03AM

Nice hits Chris. Good luck with the submissions!!!

Thanks for sharing the rip with us rip-adverse people.

Nikklos · April 27, 2013 10:35AM

Thanks guys. Jimmy - the Palmers are not well-centered so not going to submit.

EchoCanyon · April 27, 2013 10:48AM

If anyone had 1980 singles they dont want, trying to put together my childhood 80s set.
Please PM me.

Bosox1976 · April 27, 2013 10:49AM

Thanks for the rip. Hope they grade out well for you

Constantine · April 27, 2013 12:36PM

Nice Murphy's.

Nikklos · May 3, 2013 2:11AM

Did not get what I was looking for the first time around so had to reload - 20 packs of 1980 Topps Baseball Wax.

But all this talk of leaving things unopened has gotten to me.

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So I've decided to leave unopened - until I get home.

cpamike · May 3, 2013 2:34AM

<< So I've decided to leave unopened. >>

I fixed it for you.

Nikklos · May 3, 2013 2:43AM

I just don't get the whole unopened concept Mike. But when you have the only '80 wax packs left in town and I'm offering you 10 grand a pack, I may feel differently!

Nikklos · May 4, 2013 12:04AM

Ripped 20 packs. Some diamonds in the rough perhaps.

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RookieWax · May 4, 2013 1:39AM

That Brett was my favorite card to pull back in 1980 as a kid....just something unique about the perfectly centered profile pic of Brett along with the "A.L. All Star" color combo banner. Next was the George Foster card, again with the "N.L. All Star" banner and the overall color combo on the card...plus Foster just looked like a really "bad" dude in the pic.

Estil · May 4, 2013 1:44AM

Did you happen to get card #1, the card that commemorates Yaz's 300th hit? 1980 was my birth year and my lovely wife happened to be at that very game Yaz joined the 3000 hit club! Isn't that something?

mygotta · May 4, 2013 3:02AM

That Brett looks nicely centered, but the bottom edge looks lightly chipped. Is that what I am seeing?

Nikklos · May 4, 2013 6:25AM

See - that's the problem with loupes and magnification. That Brett's fine!

It's the Winfield has issues!

Estil - sorry no Yaz #1. If I got one I would have framed it and sent it to you!

mygotta · May 4, 2013 7:19AM

IS the Brett even a scan? Looks too blurry to be a scan.

tsalems1 · May 4, 2013 7:48AM

PM BBG, I'm sure he-she-we can use the gum after your done opening the packs.

mygotta · May 4, 2013 7:51AM

im over it

Nikklos · May 28, 2013 2:46AM

Thought I deserved better on some. Wasn't too familiar on how 1980 graded out so sent a small sub. Pretty tough. I received more 8.5s on this sub than in my previous five combined. That alone speaks volumes about the subjectivity of grading and the grader. Plan to sub more 1980s ASAP.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 21410824 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 TOPPS 206 STRIKEOUT LEADERS J.R.RICHARD/N.RYAN Card
2 1 21410825 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 TOPPS 550 KEN GRIFFEY Card
3 1 21410826 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 TOPPS 18 RON JACKSON Card
4 1 21410827 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 450 GEORGE BRETT Card
5 1 21410828 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 627 PEDRO BORBON Card
6 1 21410829 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 393 OZZIE SMITH Card
7 1 21410830 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 406 PAUL MOLITOR Card
8 1 21410831 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 TOPPS 210 STEVE CARLTON Card
9 1 21410832 NEAR MINT 7 1980 TOPPS 706 TIPPY MARTINEZ Card
10 1 21410833 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 651 ROLLIE FINGERS Card

grote15 · May 28, 2013 4:30AM

<< Thought I deserved better on some. Wasn't too familiar on how 1980 graded out so sent a small sub. Pretty tough. I received more 8.5s on this sub than in my previous five combined. That alone speaks volumes about the subjectivity of grading and the grader. Plan to sub more 1980s ASAP.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 21410824 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 TOPPS 206 STRIKEOUT LEADERS J.R.RICHARD/N.RYAN Card
2 1 21410825 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 TOPPS 550 KEN GRIFFEY Card
3 1 21410826 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 TOPPS 18 RON JACKSON Card
4 1 21410827 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 450 GEORGE BRETT Card
5 1 21410828 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 627 PEDRO BORBON Card
6 1 21410829 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 393 OZZIE SMITH Card
7 1 21410830 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 406 PAUL MOLITOR Card
8 1 21410831 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 TOPPS 210 STEVE CARLTON Card
9 1 21410832 NEAR MINT 7 1980 TOPPS 706 TIPPY MARTINEZ Card
10 1 21410833 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 651 ROLLIE FINGERS Card >>

1980 is a tough issue. That said, a stricter grader is often the difference between the 8.5 and the 9, or even between the 9 and 10. I do think the Brett is accurately graded, though.

JustinsShoebox · May 28, 2013 5:30AM

<< Thought I deserved better on some. Wasn't too familiar on how 1980 graded out so sent a small sub. Pretty tough. I received more 8.5s on this sub than in my previous five combined. That alone speaks volumes about the subjectivity of grading and the grader. Plan to sub more 1980s ASAP.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 21410824 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 TOPPS 206 STRIKEOUT LEADERS J.R.RICHARD/N.RYAN Card
2 1 21410825 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 TOPPS 550 KEN GRIFFEY Card
3 1 21410826 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 TOPPS 18 RON JACKSON Card
4 1 21410827 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 450 GEORGE BRETT Card
5 1 21410828 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 627 PEDRO BORBON Card
6 1 21410829 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 393 OZZIE SMITH Card
7 1 21410830 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 406 PAUL MOLITOR Card
8 1 21410831 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 TOPPS 210 STEVE CARLTON Card
9 1 21410832 NEAR MINT 7 1980 TOPPS 706 TIPPY MARTINEZ Card
10 1 21410833 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS 651 ROLLIE FINGERS Card >>

Sorry about the results. 1980 is very tough. If you don't understand the nuances of each card, it can be quite a challenge as well as a money loosing proposition.

I just looked at the cards that you had provided photos for and most of them seem to be properly graded. Please post scans if you can rather than photos when they return. Scans of the backs of the cards would help as well.

The Molitor looks good, but the back scan will be the tell tale on that one.
The Carlton looks fine at first glance, but the registration is off on that card.
Ron Jackson has black snow or staining in the top white border. Can't tell from the photo.
Fingers has blue in the Padres logo which dropped it. Also seems to have a very small wax stain on the right border?
Brett is off a little too much L-R.
Smith looks like it's chipped just a tad and dinged maybe once. They are very tough on this card (it has a less than 2% success rate - lower than Brett's 3%), so make sure you submit dead centered (front and back) non-chipped or dinged Ozzie cards.
Tippy is dinged and has too much PD in the banner logo, unless that's light due to wax/gum residue.
Based on the scans, I don't have enough info. on the Ryan, Griffey, or Pedro. I'd check surface and back centering for rear tilt (which is very common for this set unfortunately).
Your Murphys are off registration wise in the banner logos - I would not sub those.
The Bench looks slightly low on the front (which is fairly common), what does it look like on the back?
The Dwight Evans is very tough, no 10s exist of that card yet. I'm hoping to change that in one of my submissions leaving today.

Justin

Nikklos · May 28, 2013 5:34AM

Agree on the Brett, Grote. But admit I thought Ozzie, Molitor and Fingers were locks on 10s. And still do. I probably over graded (in my mind) the 8s and the 7. It was good learning though on 1980 grading.

Nikklos · May 28, 2013 5:42AM

Thanks For the info Justin. I did whittle down the cards I posted to the 10 submitted. It was a shame to pass on the Murphy's because I love that card.

If I overlooked the blue on the Fingers, it is good learning for next sub.

On any given day, depending on the grader, the Molitor and Ozzie 10.

Looking for more 1980 product to capitalize on the learning. At least you could say I am judicious with what I sub out of the material I am dealt!

billwaltonsbeard · May 28, 2013 9:38AM

<< IMO it's usually the cards and not the grader. >>

I would believe that more if I had ever received even one 8.5 out of the 150-200 1980 Topps I've subbed.

Nikklos · May 31, 2013 8:35AM

Justin - since you asked, here is the Bench back. Pretty darn perfect. But as you mention, the front is a bit low:

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Nikklos · May 31, 2013 9:55AM

BillWaltonsBeard - you are right-on. 8.5s? On my first two cards?

ShreveBo · May 31, 2013 11:58AM

Ah,another look at me post from the Nikster. At least you didn't lose a bunch of dough like you did on that 70 wax box bust

Nikklos · June 6, 2013 9:47PM

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Nikklos · June 6, 2013 9:57PM

I will offer my advice regarding the growing debate on this forum. If you either:

a) fear not recouping your money, or

b) would be happy to sit on the vending box for 5-10 years so it may appreciate $100 (or not);

DO NOT OPEN YOUR VENDING BOXES!

And I say this knowing full well the contents of this particular box from this particular case.

It could really go either way.

cpamike · June 6, 2013 10:01PM

Enjoy the carnage Chris!!!

And good luck too!!!

Nikklos · June 6, 2013 10:08PM

Thanks Mike! My fortune has already been told on this one! I thought you'd be proud that I'd suggest possibly not opening boxes!

Nikklos · June 6, 2013 10:34PM

One thing you could say for it - it was not searched.

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jeffcbay · June 6, 2013 10:43PM

I pulled a Henderson that popped a PSA 9 from my one and only 1980 Topps vending from BBCE.

galaxy27 · June 7, 2013 1:10AM

@Nikklos- I presume you're going to expound on this, but were centering & corners major issues with yours?

3BoyzTrading · June 7, 2013 1:40AM

<< I pulled a Henderson that popped a PSA 9 from my one and only 1980 Topps vending from BBCE. >>

I bought a box last year, the corners were as expected and I wasn't happy with the centering on most of the cards except one...the Rickey Henderson....I was shocked at the corners and centering when compared to the rest of the box.....I'm sure it's a PSA 9 but it'll have to wait for grading next year.

ldferg · June 7, 2013 3:31AM

Good luck. I wanted one of those boxes but I was late to the game. Fingers crossed for u.

Nikklos · June 7, 2013 3:46AM

Corners were, for the most part, strong. About the same as you might find in your average wax box. Centering could have been better. Consistently brutal for a long stretch, reversed gears - producing some nice cards - but never really hit that perfect stride.
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There were your typical ungradeable stars like this sampling:

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Nikklos · June 7, 2013 4:11AM

Pulled a few tough commons. You can't really judge the corners with my bootleg camera phone "scans" but you can judge the centering.

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For such a tough card, I've pulled some pretty Borbons:

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And I pulled a card that looks like paint has been dumped on it:

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cpamike · June 7, 2013 4:48AM

<< And I pulled a card that looks like paint has been dumped on it:

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Nice, you pulled the black paint variation.

Looks like you got some nice hits, but the journey was the most important thing.

And yes, I am proud of you to help preserve some boxes although vending is not my favorite. Save the racks I say.

Nikklos · June 7, 2013 5:05AM

Now racks are a different story Mike. No question whether or not to rip!

Got the Two Horsemen of this era's Baseball Card Ripping. But they are not perfect specimens:

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Nikklos · June 7, 2013 5:20AM

Some Subjects for Further Investigation:

Not No-name Pryor but appears to be a Partial-Name Pryor?

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Nikklos · June 7, 2013 5:33AM

The box also yielded this important 1980 card. Although it is not as nice as the severely undergraded specimen posted earlier from the Wax Pack Rip.

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1980 Topps Baseball Wax Pack Rip...and a Vending Box

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