Did anyone else take part in the Heritage giveaway?

JCMhouston

Well at least with the British in todays auction it looked like a buy one get two free day. I went after the 1825 1/2d to finish my Geo. IV set, but I spent well under estimate so I kept watching of course. Well as I watched stuff was going so cheap I just went ahead and bid on a few because I just couldn't stand it. No rarities or supergrade coins in the bunch but what seemed like really cheap prices. If someone had wanted to put together a bunch of Vicky halfpennies in 63/64 they were going for $120 or less. And when did you last see MS65 Vicky copper going for $150?

1854 1/2d in MS65 BN:



1858/7 1/2d in MS64 RB:



1901 1d in MS66 RD:



1870 3d in MS65:



1883 3d in MS65:

Zohar

I went a lot crazy myself seeing the same trend for some very nice coins that can go into the Other Neat Stuff section.

If anyone has ideas how I can bribe NGC to put the Harz Taler into a medium size holder please do share. I think the holders themselves suppress bids. These baptisimal taler/medals are very nice though at 55mm.

7Jaguars

Jeff, I think the 1870 may be Maundy but is most attractive.Congratulations!

LochNESS

1870 3d in MS65 is my pick of the bunch.

I was busy having a baby two weeks ago, and figuring out how to parent him last week, so not a single bid from this forumite!

nicholasz219

Ugh. Super jealous of the pickups by both of you guys. I saw some pieces that I was attracted to, but considering that I typically keep my budget at under $50/coin, it really doesn't seem to make sense to me to pay $14/coin in "buyer premium." It's a shame because I would have liked to buy some of the GB and Russian pieces I saw.

SaorAlba

Silly boys! I bought Scottish of course

lordmarcovan

Nice pickups all around.

JCMH, you suck for that MS66RD 1901 1d.

The 1854 1/2d is a real eyecatcher, too.

marcmoish

Nice British pickups - I also noticed prices on many items were well below what I thought they'd go for.

Might be many items were mediocre in terms of grades -

Glad you played

I love the Gelderland piece - looks really nice.

Those Lord Names pieces can get costly in solid grades

JCMhouston

I could have really gone crazy, unfortunately I had to pay the contractor yesterday for the new roof they finished installing. That took a bite out of the coin buying spree.

I think there is no doubt the 1870 3d is a maundy coin, but for under $100 I figured it was pretty enough and cheap enough.

7Jaguars

Oh Jeff, I was just saying that its a nice coin - not a criticism though. I think these are good pickups at this price as you've said. I note that the 1845, and many through 1853 are essentially always Maundy, even when certified by our hosts, with the exception being 1849 and 1850, 1851.

coinkat

CONGRATS- WELL PLAYED

daOnlyBG

The 1870 3d is gorgeous. I've been looking for similar toning for a while now- I'll have to keep my eyes open, I guess. Congrats!

Type2

I went after the Chinese yesterday. But bidding was hot and havey lost 10 lots wont 4 oh well. Happy to see some did get what they wanted Very cool pick up's.

SaorAlba

Wha Scots ha wee?



Twelvepenny Groat or Nonsunt or 12d 1558, Edinburgh

Queen Mary was betrothed to Frances, the Dauphin of Vienne and the future king of France during her extended stay in France. In 1558 they were married formally and this is reflected on the titles on her Scottish coinage, in this case the legend FRAN ET MA D G RR SCOTOR D.D. VIEN reflects her new title as the dauphiness of France. The reverse of the coin with the legend IAM NON SUNT DUO SED UNA CARO is testament to the royal marriage and means "They are no more twain, but one flesh". Unlike many billon coins from this era this issue was not commonly counterfeited. The coin got Scottish treatment of a nickname and is referred to as a Nonsunt.

pmac

<< <i>Jeff, I think the 1870 may be Maundy but is most attractive.Congratulations! >>


I see later that you meant this as no criticism. Is there some prejudice toward Maundy coins? Is it because they would not have been circulated but kept as a keepsake from the Royals? I think these little coins take on a royal blue hue(toning) that is very attractive. If anyone has the 1d from the 1896 set, PM me. I bought a set without that coin and would like to complete it. It came with an attractive old aftermarket display box.

JCMhouston

PMAC, there is no real prejudice against Maundy coins, just that most of them are still available in high grade and very attractive. Many/most of the currency pieces are not available so nice and seem to have very low survival rates.

7Jaguars

THat is true. I think it is interesting to fight over Maundy status of the VIctoria coins - especially those of the 1840's through 1870 or so. Some are very hard to "diagnose" as the Maundies are not always prooflike and some have satin finishes. There are many more complexities to the series but not interesting to most...

brg5658

<< <i>THat is true. I think it is interesting to fight over Maundy status of the VIctoria coins - especially those of the 1840's through 1870 or so. Some are very hard to "diagnose" as the Maundies are not always prooflike and some have satin finishes. There are many more complexities to the series but not interesting to most... >>



I picked up a little gem 4D designated as Maundy about a year ago. It's not prooflike at all, but has a wonderful satin finish (see below). There is a certain charm of the Maundies.

JCM, fantastic new pick-ups. I'm particularly fond of the look of that 1854 copper piece! Stunning!

worldcoinguy

Some very nice hardware shared from CICF auctions and showroom floor. I think this forum did very well - congrats all!

LochNESS

I have always thought the prejudices some collectors feel against Maundy money is similar to that which others have against NCLT and proof strikes.
They prefer business or circulation strikes because [they believe] it's more challenging to find them in high grades of preservation. Likewise, many collectors avoid Franklin Mint issues because they often never circulated in the countries for which they were minted.

It's just another perspective to the hobby and none is right or wrong.

nicholasz219

I understand what Maundy money is, but on what basis does anyone determine which coins were specifically issued as Maundy? Is it from the sharpness of strike and high finish quality like a proof, where the difference is not in the design but the process by which they are produced? This has long confused me.

After looking at the web page for the Royal Mint, I can see how modern Maundy is easily discernible with original portrait of EII and proof silver strikings of the four minor coins but as for the late 19th/early 20th century issues I think I'm still missing something.

JCMhouston

Yes the argument is primarily about the quality of the strike. Some are obvious P/L pieces but many are not, those still often exhibit a much better strike than the currency versions would. There are lots of arguments on specific coins about whether they are Maundy or currency strikes.

7Jaguars

Exactly. Also the obverse dies were used for multiple years. If the reeding and dentils are clear and not uneven that is a good starting hint FOR Maundy; if the central hair details are strong, it also is.

If the "3" is weak on reverse it may or not be Maundy....

If it has a PL finish it usually is Maundy.

Clashes a bit less common on Maundy but do occur.

Lettering errors in the legend may occur on Maundy (I have seen these on 1849-52 issues).

Some Maundy dies may have been used on occasion to strike currency bits, but this is only conjectural and unproven. Uggh!

Well, might think of more but just had some Chinese food and getting La La...

nicholasz219

JCM and Jaguars, thanks for the insight. I thought that there would just simply be quality of strike issues, maybe just short of proof-like preparation. I mean, the Sovereign of the Nation is personally handing these to her subjects so it just wouldn't do for her to be handing out bags of garbage to her people. I learn something every day from you guys. It's super sweet.

SYRACUSIAN

Jeff,


I forgot to ask you the first time I saw this thread: how much did you pay for the 1901 MS66RD penny? (a beauty btw) After all that talk and outrage, mostly from our British members, on that couple that realized ~$1000 a piece last year, I wonder if it was simply yet another case of probably two ignoramus bidders who entered a bidding war and the winner ended up paying as much as he thought he should at the heat of the moment. Floor bidding tends to increase this very common phenomenon.

And before you tell me what I assume to be a reasonable price, I'd like to remind to everyone, that auction fever keeps bringing absolutely idiotic results, on all sorts of coins, more often than you'd think. More recently, (less than a week ago) someone decided to pay ~$6,5K for a Pan Pac $1 gold in PCGS MS66, non CACed in case you were wondering, which is pretty much the retail price of an MS67 (there was one PCGS MS67 in the same auction). The difference in retail value of an MS66 and an MS67 is the truly big gap in value on that coin. A regular nice looking 66, is selling for $1700-$1800, perhaps +10-15% if CACed , a 65 is nearly $1100-$1200 and a 64 around $900, all less than half of what they used to sell 5-6 years ago. But an MS67 is exceeding $6K, despite the big number of them in the pop reports, and I'm guessing that a CAC sticker on that grade would send it near 5 digits.

PS: The reason I know that info, is because the gold Pan Pac $1 has been in my wish list for over 10 years now, but I just keep postponing its purchase just for the fun. After all it's truly a readily available coin, in any grade.


Edited to add: Pan Pac $1 PCGS MS66 (OGH, but this is very common in that coin)

realized $6,462.50 ------> see the pricing info and the recent realized prices in PCGS MS66 lower down that page


and the Pan Pac $1 PCGS MS67 in the same auction

realized $5,875.00 ----> in line with the recent prices realized by PCGS MS67s, and even slightly cheap.