82 TT Ripken PSA 10 Thoughts

MBMiller25

I am interested to know what the board thinks about the 82 TT in PSA 10. It's come down a bit in price as 4SC popped a lot of them at one time. Is now as good as it gets if you want this card in your collection, or does anyone think this card might drop in price even further?

Thanks in advance for thoughts and comments.

MattyC

I've given this card a great deal of thought over the years. It's on my list. Ever since that huge sub of 10s popped, they've been very smart about letting them into the market and keeping the price relatively stable. I personally can't rationalize dropping a grand for a prime case of condition causing the price-- and I can't type the words "condition rarity" in this instance because the card in that condition is simply not rare at all. I thus have decided on the PSA 9 for me, as the best value. It's nice to have a worthy ten but if ever there's a card one should hunt in a 10-worthy PSA 9, I think this is the one. At $500 I'd splurge over the 9 for a worthy 10, but from 200 to 1K when the 10 is fairly bountiful? Can't pull the trigger.

miconelegacy

Very well said Matty. I agree. I got rid of mine when they where selling 1300 plus.

Exodus

Too much of a price difference between the 9 and 10 based on the plethoria of 10's out there.

I think the 10 price went from $1,300.00 down to around $900.00 imo.

If you're itching for that card, then buy the 9 now, and put in low bids on 10 auctions that pop up in the future.

Dboneesq

Hey Matt ... long time no talk. Hope all is going well with your family and you. I think I would have to agree with the others and say NO to the "10". There are 167 of them ... at this point! Just too much of a premium over the "9" (of which there are 2,200+). You can get a "9" for as low as $160.00 - $175.00. Spending $1,100.00 on a "10" is CRAZY IMO.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do.

jeffcbay

Looks to me that they're still selling for about $1200... it's been there for a long time.

As big of a Ripken collector as I am, I only have a 9 and I'm sticking with that one for a long time. It happens to be a card that I bought for $9 in 1987 when I was 11, and it graded a PSA 9 in 2007, so that will never leave my collection. I have no desire to drop $1200 on a 10. I have a hard enough time spending $600 on a 1982 Fleer in 10. Not that I think the price will ever drop under $1k, it's just way low in my collecting priority list right now.

jay0791

well said Matty C

Find a nice 9 you can live with. Whether 4SC is slowly releasing the 10's its not really a low pop card and surely will rise.

ClockworkAngel

Like Matt, I've had this card on my list and am waiting it out hoping it drops. There might be more Ripken collectors than any other baseball player. Despite that, I still think it drops more considering how many exist

MBMiller, it says a lot when this card has dropped while most everything else in PSA 10 has been skyrocketing. I don't know how many more collectors there are willing and able to spend 1200-1400 for this card

Dpeck100

This is one of the most important Topps cards from the 1980's so it is always going to have strong interest.

I think it is incredibly impressive that 4SC added so many PSA 10's to the population report and the price has really only fallen modestly.

They most likely have more in inventory but they have a sold a good number and most cards would not have been able to absorb such a dramatic increase in the number of the top graded copies available.

The huge increase in supply will cause this card to be in a trading range at best for a while and I would not be racing out to buy one either if I was considering purchasing a copy and concerned about near term higher prices. In the short run this is not a good bet if you are looking for price appreciation but I think there is really strong support in the $1,000 area and this is a less risky buy then many cards at the moment even if their pop reports are lower. To me this has proven to be a liquid card and you can convert it to cash quickly with a relatively known price.

If you are looking to buy for a collection I think trying to find the strongest 10 you can is your best bet. With the increase in supply you have many more choices and the supply will limit the outlyer sales and allow you to pick up a super high quality card for the grade for just a few hundred bucks more. I would look at a few really nice cards before you pull the trigger since you can.

Foo3112

PSA 10 - Average Price: $1,194.87

Although getting a 10 is not as impressive as a Rickey in a 10, this card certainly didnt come with too many flaws either meaning Centering issues or Print Dots. Also since it is part of a Traded set, they might have been more careful when making these due to the lower print run. I think owning this card in a 10 can be one of the top highlights of any collectors collection. Considering that there are 167 10 Vs. 2226 graded 9's is still pretty good. This was a well rounded player and very popular and most of all, he played the game the right way - clean. I wouldnt get this card with the mind frame of "oh, I'm going to sell this for $2000 in 5-10 years" but more as in if you are a perfectionist and only want the best. I also own a 9 and its a ncie looking one and I am completely satisified with it but If I can ever jump on getting a 10 at a price of about $900-950, I would go for it.

For everyone else that disagrees, are you saying that you would be perfectly content getting a 93 Jeter SP PSA 8 Vs the 9 because its pretty much the same scenario. 8 is great but its not gonna stand out in anyones collection and I'm more about quality than quantity. Anyone can afford the 8 but I want the 9.

jgrigali

Growing up in Baltimore in the 80s, cal ripken was God...but since the print runs and pops for the ripken rookies are so high, i just have PSA 8 examples of donruss, fleer, topps, and topps traded...and im more than content! that said, i've thought about getting 10s

MattyC

While I agree it's a major card and I agree you won't ever take a bath spending on a ten, I would have to balance those remarks by reiterating that this card is neither rare nor are the 10s condition-rare. I usually like one or the other scenario to be the case about a card when I spend more than a couple hundo (preferably the former, or both!).

Baseball said that, "With so many 9s graded, it's just not that attractive to own a 9 IMO. Virtually everyone who will want one can have one."

The very same statement can be said about the 10s, and is exactly why, to me, brandishing a 1K PSA 10 of this card is not so impressive; every time I contemplate the purchase, I always find something else to spend the spread between 9 and 10 on.

I've always maintained that for anyone on a budget, there is tremendous value in finding the 10s that are hiding out in PSA 9 slabs. It's not too often discussed, but let's just lay it out...

We all know that PSA is not unlike DeBeers in the diamond market— they can't create too many 10s and thus allow them all to enter the market. This would dilute their value and over time dampen enthusiasm for people submitting cards, seeking that big gold strike a 10 provides. They need their 10 to be something elusive, to have rarity and mystique. Thus, the ones they create of course need to 'look the part.' (It's always a riot when a 10 is a dog, because we all wonder how the heck the graders' eye could bestow their top honor on anything unworthy.) What all this means is that of course there are more cards worthy of a 10 that cannot become 10s, and don't get the luck on their day in court, and these cards wind up in 9 holders.

In my opinion, those cards (and the same can be said about any card where it is worth at ton in X grade, and the graders know it, and instead it gets X-1 grade) are the true gems in our hobby and where tremendous value lies-- not just in terms of knowing the quality you have and what you paid for it, but these cards do in fact bump on review to that critical high-value grade. I have done it myself. Of course, as I type I realize all this distills to the brilliant and ubiquitous axiom in our hobby: buy the card and not the holder. The person who first said that should really be a household name to us.

This is just one collecting philosophy and that's part of why we're all here, to share those philosophies and perspectives on our hobby. I like going after the occasional 10 when it meets the following criteria:

1. It is worthy of the grade.
2. Is low pop, ideally single digits.
3. There is also not an abundance of 10-worthy 9s out there.
4. It is not a common, whose value is tied strictly to its population and not the player depicted.

Usually 1975 Topps Mini HOFers fit this perfectly. Problem is-- barely a handful of these in 10 exist!

ClockworkAngel

I think there's more room for growth with the 1982 Fleer PSA 10. You can pick it up for $500, half the price and about the same number of 10's out there. Don't see an influx of 10's of either card happening either

ABellPharmD

I have a substantial Ripken collection and still just have the 9. It is my favorite of all of Cal's cards but I just can't justify paying this price on such a common card. I'd like to upgrade eventually but there is no rush. I'd say wait it out as the market is pretty flush with them. I doubt it drops much more but it's not going up either.

Beck6

I do find it funny that almost everyone that said the price of this card would come down said it was on there list of cards to buy. This leads me to believe there is a bottom to this card that has a lot of support. If 10's break below $1000 it seems like a good time to buy.

Edit to add:



Ripken BGS

When a BGS with subgrades of 9.5 can be had for this price you might consider cracking a few of these bad boys out to get your PSA 10

Dboneesq

<< <i>Ripken BGS

When a BGS with subgrades of 9.5 can be had for this price you might consider cracking a few of these bad boys out to get your PSA 10 >>



Do you really think it's worth it? Spend $750.00 on a BGS 9.5 and crack it, send it in to PSA, a HOPE to come out with an $1,100.00 card? If it comes back a "9" you have a $175.00 card. Too much of a risk, IMO.

orioles93

I think 10s are wayyyy over priced. I found a nice looking 8 for $75, and i am perfectly happy with that in my collection. I dont feel the need to even upgrade to a 9. Just too much money for the card.

MBMiller25

I appreciate all the responses, but to be honest, I was not asking whether or not the 10 is a rare card, or whether I should just settle for a PSA 9 over spending the money for the PSA 10. I am well aware there is plenty of product out there, but there are also just 167 PSA 10's out of 8512 cards (2%) for one of the most popular baseball players to play the game. Movement on price always comes back to basic economics. Supply vs. Demand.

So with keeping that in mind, I just want to know what your opinion is on the current price point its selling at ($1195 VCP). Does the price come down further, or is it settling at this price?

MattyC

<< <i>For everyone else that disagrees, are you saying that you would be perfectly content getting a 93 Jeter SP PSA 8 Vs the 9 because its pretty much the same scenario. 8 is great but its not gonna stand out in anyones collection and I'm more about quality than quantity. Anyone can afford the 8 but I want the 9. >>



Good question. I'm sure everyone will answer this differently, but here's where I come out on the topic, and curious to hear everyone else's perspectives: quality does not necessarily mean what the label says, but rather what is inside the holder. When the two match up, that's of course optimum. If someone has the bread to buy an expensive card but the card doesn't match the grade, it doesn't stand out to me in a good way at all. What stands out or impresses me most is when someone finds a card that is every bit as great as the grade that costs a bundle, but the card in question is one grade less on the flip. That card stands out, and is evidence of a collector with a keen eye who's making wise, considered, and patient purchases. Also, with respect to anyone affording the 8 but the 9 being something more rarefied, I bet there are many, many guys out there who could afford the Jeter 9 or cards of comparable price. The 10 Jeter or any card reaching 5 digits is probably where the air starts to get very thin. And then upwards from there we are talking mesosphere cards. Worthy 10s are beautiful and impressive/stand outs but I must qualify that further by stressing the word "worthy." I also personally only jock 10s when they meet the criteria I mentioned earlier. Just how I collect, again nice to see all perspectives.

MattyC

I think based on how they are hitting the market the price will always be stable, around what it is now.

thunderdan

<< <i>I appreciate all the responses, but to be honest, I was not asking whether or not the 10 is a rare card, or whether I should just settle for a PSA 9 over spending the money for the PSA 10. I am well aware there is plenty of product out there, but there are also just 167 PSA 10's out of 8512 cards (2%) for one of the most popular baseball players to play the game. Movement on price always comes back to basic economics. Supply vs. Demand.

So with keeping that in mind, I just want to know what your opinion is on the current price point its selling at ($1195 VCP). Does the price come down further, or is it settling at this price? >>



I think this price comes down, and I would wait. There is a lot of recently graded PSA 10 supply out there. They are being smart in selling them one at a time, but now there is almost always one for sale on eBay whereas a year ago they appeared much less frequently.

Beck6

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<< <i>Ripken BGS

When a BGS with subgrades of 9.5 can be had for this price you might consider cracking a few of these bad boys out to get your PSA 10 >>



Do you really think it's worth it? Spend $750.00 on a BGS 9.5 and crack it, send it in to PSA, a HOPE to come out with an $1,100.00 card? If it comes back a "9" you have a $175.00 card. Too much of a risk, IMO. >>



I understand what you are saying, but if you determined the baseline is $900-$1000 and you really wanted the 10 I would buy the best subgrades I could find and maybe not crack, but submit for a cross atleast once. Worst case is you sell the BGS and move on. You are probably right about cracking. Not worth the risk.

mcadams

<< <i>I think there's more room for growth with the 1982 Fleer PSA 10. You can pick it up for $500, half the price and about the same number of 10's out there. Don't see an influx of 10's of either card happening either >>



I was thinking this too. I actually prefer the '82 Fleer card, irrespective of the population, just like the set and card better than 82T.

cardbender

If 10's are $1000 now and 9's are $100 (I don't follow this card),
then I would rather own 10 sharp PSA 9's of the card and I would try
to have several reviewed for a bump. If one changes, you will have all
the other 9's to sell off if you wanted to keep the 10 for your collection.

If none get changed, you're only out the grading fee. Since it's a $100
card in a 9, that would be like $6 per card in bulk review.

Not much downsize with a pretty large upside.

That's what I would do.

10's are over rated. They are just 9's on a different day, different mood of the
grader.

Dboneesq

<< <i>I appreciate all the responses. I just want to know what your opinion is on the current price point its selling at ($1195 VCP). Does the price come down further, or is it settling at this price? >>


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