Is not putting in a qualifier on a grade a misrepresentation?

Jakt

This is a hypothetical situation that I almost fell victim too:

I see a listing for a PSA 5.

I open up the auction and scroll to the auction # and set a snipe. After I set the snipe, I saw that it had a BIN that seemed kinda low. I checked it out more carefully and saw the picture of the card has a PSA 5 (MK). There was no mention in the listing itself bringing any attention to the qualifier. This clearly is why the BIN is lower.

My next move was to cancel my snipe.

My question is, what level of responsibility does the seller have in this? And what level would have had if I had not seen the MK in time? Granted, this could have been a careless error on my part, but at the same time, the seller has to disclose a material bit of information like that, right?

Sethro

<< <i>This is a hypothetical situation that I almost fell victim too:

I see a listing for a PSA 5.

I open up the auction and scroll to the auction # and set a snipe. After I set the snipe, I saw that it had a BIN that seemed kinda low. I checked it out more carefully and saw the picture of the card has a PSA 5 (MK). There was no mention in the listing itself bringing any attention to the qualifier. This clearly is why the BIN is lower.

My next move was to cancel my snipe.

My question is, what level of responsibility does the seller have in this? And what level would have had if I had not seen the MK in time? Granted, this could have been a careless error on my part, but at the same time, the seller has to disclose a material bit of information like that, right? >>



Agreed, seller has a responsibility to make everything clear. You might hear other opinions, but they are wrong. Haha.

mygotta

I do agree that it becomes misrepresented without noting it - minimally in the description area. There is always the argument that one can simply look at the card to get all the information. The seller can say they forgot or overlooked it. But when you are dealing with a rare card or perhaps a 9 (OC), its pretty important you put those in there. I am sure the seller knows the importance of them in the final price of the item, so more than likely it is intentional and made for the buyer to do the work, which to me is underhanded seller tactics that I would not want to deal with that seller at that point.

hyperchipper09

I would be morally obligated to list it. As I would want it listed if I were a buyer.

WalterSobchak

Yes, it is absolutely a misrepresentation and deliberately deceitful. The qualifier really SHOULD be listed in the auction title- but at the bare minimum, it needs to be mentioned in the description.



<< <i>If the qualifier was a good thing you could bet that they'd always include it in the listing. >>


Yup.

ChiefsFan1st

Its way annoying! I wont actually place a bid on anything on ebay until ive read everything 3 times
and maybe 2 more times upside down just to be sure! Its a shame ebay is overran with crooks. What bugs me more than anything is the time wasted checking out an auction where someone is trying to pull a fast one!

Maurice

<< <i>If the seller put it in the description, but not the title, I'd let it slide. >>


I wouldn't let it slide. It belongs in the title.

Jakt

<< <i>If the seller put it in the description, but not the title, I'd let it slide. >>



There was no mention in the description at all. IF I had purchased this, would it qualify for a SNAD?

JoeBanzai

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<< <i>If the seller put it in the description, but not the title, I'd let it slide. >>



There was no mention in the description at all. IF I had purchased this, would it qualify for a SNAD? >>



A definite SNAD the qualifier IS part of the item description and effects the value of item.

IMHO

Joe

grote15

Should absolutely be in the title.

jay0791

I hate it when they say only 3 higher....higher than a psa 8
They are sellig an 8oc.....realistically higher than a psa 6 ???????

very very deceiving.

or they quote full non qual value...

I say string em all up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PowderedH2O

Does VCP pick this up when this happens? For example, if a PSA 8 of a card is worth $400 and someone lists it as such, but the card is actually a PSA 8 (OC) and it sells for $125, does VCP know this? Or does it go into the mix and lower the graded average?

emar

<< <i>Does VCP pick this up when this happens? For example, if a PSA 8 of a card is worth $400 and someone lists it as such, but the card is actually a PSA 8 (OC) and it sells for $125, does VCP know this? Or does it go into the mix and lower the graded average? >>



Recently I was researching a card on VCP. I noticed a low ball closing price on an auction, clicked on the link & it was a PSA 9OC.
I don't remember how the auction was listed though.

slum22

I don't think you will find anyone on this board who doesn't agree that not explicitly stating a qualifier on a graded card is a misrepresentation. Bad tactic by a seller. I have one PSA card with a qualifier and when I sell it you can believe the qualifier will be in the title and description. Anything less would be dishonest.

Interesting question on the possibility of lowering VCP values. I am curious to hear what the answer is to that question. Does anyone have a source at VCP who would know?

jay0791

yes I have seen where a nq has drastically altered the vcp

Not sure how vcp picks up on a nq....so it wouldn't be fair to blame them if not listed anywhere.

Thats why I never look at just a vcp avg. I look at any card that might have figured into final price.

WinPitcher

Yes, hypothetically it should be in the title.

cardbender

Should definitely be listed in the title box and description.

Also I've noticed VCP missing these qualifier results and lumping them
into the regular price slots. I think VCP just captures the title box and price result, so it's
probably not their fault. If you see these errors in VCP listings, point them
out to Bobby Binder and he'll correct them.

Sellers who repeatedly pull this stuff, should be banned from ebay in my opinion. They are lying
about what they are selling. What else will they try to pull next on the unsuspecting buyer
to possibly cheat them?

Another thing, in ebay's drop down item specifics boxes, where you list the manufacturer, year, grade, etc.. of your item,
there is no drop down box for qualifiers. So a seller could conceivably be lying about their item
without intending to do so. Although putting the qualifier in the title box should be enough.

galaxy27

I'll never be able to comprehend the thought process behind a hypothetical (or realized) stunt like this. Not only are there impenetrable eBay barriers preventing an unscathed exit, but it's also a tacit indication that you have a complete lack of respect for the hobby. At that juncture it's no longer about a genuine affinity for cards; it's about conjuring up covert attempts to pad your wallet. Time to hang up the cleats and calibrate other aspects of your life, as far as I'm concerned.