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Can any one tell me what this is? I dont know if it's chinese or what?

Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
I was out today and found this in a junk box thought it was cool and it had some chops on it so i nab it for $5 bucks. Can any one tell me what it is?


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Thanks in advance,Type2.


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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like some kind of Chinese token or imitation coin.

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  • spoonspoon Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭
    A product of bring your kid to work day at the Chinese counterfeit factory?

    Snarkiness aside, it's interesting and I'm curious to hear leads on what it really is!
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it silver dollar size?

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ya, I dont know let me see.image


    Here is the rim if that helps any?

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  • OGDanOGDan Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Custom engraved 8 reales?
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    It is marked as silver for use in soldier's pay of some sort. I wonder if it was bullion silver used to pay a warlord's troops in the early 20th century?
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    And yes, it is Chinese.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Wait... I just found some info. It dates to 1853 and was produced by a local government office of the Qing Empire. Hang on, I am reading (slowly) more about it.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Taiwan Province, 1853.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    If you scroll down on this page, you'll see it:

    LINK
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I found a Japanese auction listing for one of these at 1200 yen. That's like USD12.00, no?
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    In snooping around on Chinese sites it seems pieces very similar to this can go for some hefty sums. I think it might be worth having someone who knows what they're talking about take a look at this. I am confident that it is from Taiwan, minted in 1853 by a local government authority, and used as silver bullion military pay. Beyond that I don't really know without getting out some high-caliber dictionaries but I'm too tired for that now...

    Is there someone else here who knows about this?
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    For those interested in reading further in Chinese:

    Chinese Link
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you this is what it is saying i think.






    Famous silver cake is Taiwan one of the early cast silver dollar (see chart). It produced a very rustic, front cross, double cross also traditional ornaments. Right there is "full-grain" Word left "acceptable" two words, decorated with small circles on the underside. Other patterns as a cornucopia, casting a "baoshi", right "treasures" the Word left "pay" the word side purfling rings on both sides back to the arms (commonly known as continuous lines) lace. Diameter 39 mm, 25.5 grams in weight. Its design, text, very natural and plain. This coin was used to suppress, formal mechanisms of surface finish than the later silver coins, silver cake this chiseled face, the silver shop, in order to check condition caused by. Old silver cake when you begin using, most people you want to test the fineness and weight, without trust its coins magazine wrote "foot line acceptable" commitment, early Silver Stamp, and black and blue cakes tend to be businessmen. Silver cake was not spared, evidence had been circulating in the market. However, the cast of on the silver cake era, historical background and casting sites, has long been controversial opinion.

    Description silver cake originally referred to its casting of the year is 1948 Shi Jiagan arranges the meeting examination of mint in modern China, this silver cake is the reigns of three years (1853) Lin Gong in Taiwan when Fengshan County engaged in casting. Although this coin does not indicate the age and location, when credible? Through Lien Heng in the Taiwan of the General history of the records, which list the following key: "reigns for three years, and contemptuous of the forest, attacking surrounding Prefecture, Tong sing there, our rating and not to. House inventory of Acer truncatum Bunge for hundreds of thousands of, delay is not easy. For expediency, called Carpenter drum casting, silver for three, we speak of God, we speak of baskets, we speak of scales. Its name, six eight parts, silver surface. And the ' treasures ' words, so don't nickel silver. Is Taiwan casting silver. "(Volume IX page No. 254).

    Author Lien Heng, alias yatang, Word Duke Wu,, sword spent, Taiwan Tainan people, origin Fujian Dragon Brook (this Longhai), early age live continent, Republic of established Hou served Qing Academia Historica, have do read Museum in the by hid about Taiwan built province archives, Hou returned to Taiwan writings Taiwan General history of under, and Taiwan poems take under six volume and the continent poems grass under, and enjoy historians and poet of reputation. Lien Heng is a historian and poet, but he might not have seen real, or only on the surface but have not examined it carefully. So as so-called "baskets" silver, again read money spectrum, all spectrum is not contains, according to author master of information analysis, "baskets" should for double Ruyi coin of cornucopia, silver pie in the of cornucopia cast figure quite like "baskets" its shaped, coin Shang does have "Government repository" two Word can testified, coin surface although didn't cast heavy six money eight points, but Ruyi silver pie heavy 25.5 grams, equivalent heavy six money eight points, Taiwan General history of · degrees support Chi under said: "city Shang trade to this for associate. "(Taiwan foreign silver coins in circulation less than seven per silver money, foreign silver to 0.72, color 9.38%, converted into silver for 0.675). Yu Xianfeng description silver cake when casting for three years, but coin cast by non-Lin Gong, Lin Gong official when the cast of the intifada, "the Government repository of salaries" words, Lin Gong uprising continued for three months only, no time to cast silver coins circulating.

    Similarly, Japan's the Taiwan has also recorded in private law: "legend has it that as Taiwan cast silver, double, Po, old land (God of) three. The island call it Taiwan silver. Since 20 years ago, though none has died out, only in private Collections . Origin of the three currencies, documents without a license. Allegedly three-year reigns of Fujian and robbers, and Taiwan traffic absolutely broken, mind without reason give out pay, Taiwan prefect of Yu Hong Kong stocks of Acer truncatum, casting the three silver coins, to help. "(The Taiwan currency class volume III of the law No. 285 pages).

    This Chronicle of the specifies of Fujian (Taiwan belongs in Fujian province) and robbers, and reigns for three years, Fujian people's response to the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom movement, has launched the small-sword society uprising in southern Fujian, the Red Army uprising in Taiwan societies Lam Kung in Fengshan County response to the intifada. Insurgents everywhere, burnt palace and kill corrupt officials, repeal the contest to open relief of the poor, when the emergency transportation of Guangdong and Guangxi warriors, Fujian visiting Taiwan soldiers along road Xu Zonggan Army attack, Navy Admiral Li Tingyu commanding rebel in Fujian, just to quell the fighting. This pie was the war period, Taiwan officials without by give out pay, Taiwan Yu Gondor prefect used inventory of ingot casting one of three silver dollars for full pay. Since the war, Sergeant to give out pay, meritorious service need to have deviated tour, silver cake neatly fixed size, weight of economic convenience for times of war. At the same time, also under the State of emergency, when the local Government has emergency powers.

    Xianfeng, a large influx of foreign silver coins double eagle Ocean Taiwan market, commercial trading, or even rent assigned a tax settlement, in silver, especially the sudden war, on the payment of salaries or in case of public taxes, foreign silver is low, and inventory of Acer truncatum ingots are too heavy, split the inconvenience, is difficult to flow in the market. Taiwan prefect casting silver cake instead, intended mainly to give out pay, also resist the purpose of nickel silver.

    Out, Ka, road, Chatham, contemporaneous, disorder of currencies, especially the silver coins is hot. Inland provinces such as Xinjiang and Tibet Mint, is a two-unit, two of the following coins are decimal, the silver coins called "silver currency". This and first and foreign has contact of Southeast, as min Taiwan casting of Zhangzhou pay, and Ruyi silver pie of system different, Ruyi silver pie, and Zhangzhou pay take imitation Western approach Mint, in using process in the, people deeply it size, and heavy comparison moderate, and share, deeply people welcomes, a country within Yuan silver and, harmful no Lee, later Ching conform to times, in Guangxu years also used Western size, and heavy of approach Mint, than up Ruyi silver pie to is behind more than 150 years, overview Ruyi silver pie, its casting method, and layout, Earlier several catch-very like the Xinjiang coins, whether there are associated will be needed to explore deeper historical facts in order to arrive at conclusions. Nevertheless, they both gain a foothold in the history of China's currency, also enjoys important status in China's spectrum, provides in-kind support to study the origins of cross-strait relations.


    Thanks once again.


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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Google translate?
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I found this on HA Link to one that sold in 2004.


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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I cannot access the info in the link. Why is this piece a suspected modern fantasy?


  • << <i>I cannot access the info in the link. Why is this piece a suspected modern fantasy? >>



    $1,265.00 (in 2004) suggests that someone did not share that suspicion or, at least, was willing to make a significant gamble.
    "Think of the Press as a great keyboard on which the Government can play" – Joseph Goebbels

    "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media" - William Colby, former CIA director
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Indeed.
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