Compromised Slab? Is this what to look for?
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With some of the (semi) recent threads about whether or not slabs are authentic / tampered with, I thought this might be a good link to post. Are there tell tale signs here?
Opinions - discussion on this Winfield PSA 10....
Winfield 10 on the Bay...
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<< <i>tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse. >>
It looks to be about 75-25 both ways...maybe.
Maris
The edges all look cloudy?
He also has a Carter mini that doesn't have any of the tale signs
I really am interested in the winfield but not sure what to think. What do you all think of the Maris AND Winfield? Both could be off...?
TheClockworkAngelCollection
TheClockworkAngelCollection
About the scans, my scanner has a CCD element which shows depth, so there is a shadow on the light background pics, but on a regular scanner (non CCD) it is even harder to see cracking on the light background. It is obvious on the dark background.
Pay the most attention to the left side and top of the Berry, and the right side and top of the Tallon. On both you can see the little posts just below the flip have "popped" and show white.
<< <i>I don't see anything wrong with the Maris holder. It is an old # cert, when the centering wasn't THAT important. It is a very weak 9, but I don't think the holder is bad. BTW, same thoughts on the Winfield. That card is in a soft sleeve that distorts the holder a bit, but it doesn't look cracked, although the white background doesn't help. I'll crack a couple slabs here and post them in a bit with a white and dark background.
Agreed, and does look like the Maris came back with a new holder. Same thing happened to me with some old cert reviews. He sold a Jordan PSA 10 RC oldish cert just reholdered from PSA as well recently for 10K.
The back is always tough on that card. IMO, Winfield looks fine, the sleeve does not help the scan, though. I had that Winfield on my radar as well. We'll see how high this card goes. I might be in on it; we'll see.
Justin
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Edit to add: Justin beat me to it.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The Maris card wasn't graded too long ago, as the grade format on the flip is after PSA went to the half point system. >>
Two possible explainations for that is it was reviewed recently or it was just reholdered. (Owner paid PSA to re-slab the card).
Justin
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<< <i>The Maris card wasn't graded too long ago, as the grade format on the flip is after PSA went to the half point system. >>
Two possible explainations for that is it was reviewed recently or it was just reholdered. (Owner paid PSA to re-slab the card).
Justin >>
Good point, I just realized that after looking at the cert # again...in my experience, PSA does not reholder a card that doesn't bump, so either this card was recently bumped from a lower grade or the owner paid to have the card reholdered.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
As far as the Maris, the holder looks perfectly fine. That card however looks like an 8. Both top corners are touched/dented and the off centering along with that noticable tilt doesn't impress me much either - not even for a 9 - and this coming from a huge Maris fan. I would pass on that one and wait for another 9 to come along.
<< <i>That Winfield is a hideous 10 all around. Period. >>
<< <i>The Winfield single-handely kills the myth of older PSA label cards being more strictly graded >>
Have you guys looked at other 1974 Winfield PSA 10s? I have seen now 4 of the 7 and they are are pretty much what you see with this card. Most of the 9s are littered with print dots in the name/brown areas, and or not centered correctly on the front. This card exhibits centering as good as it gets for this card. Corners look fine. Color presentation/registration might be a bit better than what you can see from the bad scan/photo that is being presented. IMO the slab and the sleeve are a mess. I see scratches all over both of them Possibly even the scanner as well since the bottom right of the front seems to have the same scratch that's on the back. You need to look hard at the card and not just the picture.
That being said, what is so hideous about that card? Each one that I have seen also has the same kind of back issues, I don't think you'll find one centered well on the front that contains good back centering.
I do agree about the "strict standards", if you count everything, there should probably not be any 1974 Winfield PSA 10s. This is just an "acceptable" speciman for the issue.
Justin
EDIT: The only thing that I do not like about this whole thing is where the card is coming from. Wilmington is typically not where you would expect an item like this to be coming from, much less a Jordan PSA 10 RC. Not really the greatest of areas in Southern California, with rather few "people with disposable income".
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