Help please. Die polishing lines or cleaning?

Brol

Hi, please help me out. For me looks like they are die polishing lines, but maybe they are from cleaning?

Thanks in advance!

Pokermandude

Looks like die polish to me. The lines run "under" the letters and design. If they were cleaning hairlines, you'd see evidence of the lines on the relief design as well.

silverpop

looks like bad cleaning to me

Brol

Yeah, I guess I will send this one for grading. I'm 99% sure that most of the lines are from die polishing, but some hairlines can be from cleaning. Just I don't see any lines on letters or devices, just on proof surface. I'm wondering how someone can clean and do not touch any letter?
Well at least I paid good price for this coin and will not loose any money even if it's cleaned..

OGDan

Looks like cleaning, the lines are more curved and "cross-hatch" than they are parallel, which normally means cleaning. You'd need to inspect the coin to see if the lines are raised or not. Raised = die polish lines. Surface abrasions = cleaning. Also, I'm not familiar with the series but I wouldn't expect this level of die polishing on a modern.

DoubleEagle59

I'm confident the lines are from cleaning.

I would also think the lines go over the design too but because of the matte finish on the central design, the lines aren't showing up in the pics.

mrpotatoheadd

I would be surprised if any modern proof issues had die polish anything at all like what's in the first image. My vote... hairlines from- well, who knows what. Not mintmade, though.

theboz11

Die polish lines are RAISED above the surface, cleaning marks are Gouged out.

marcmoish

Sorry but I don't like it - and if thats how they were minted so double gong!

Hyperion

both, but the majority is cleaning IMHO. It'd never slab. neat tho.

ormandh

It appears to have hair lining from friction due to a flip. You may be surprised to know that friction from flips or the way others have handled the coin can add to the hair lining. I would bet that someone had it jingle-jangling in a bag with other coins. I will admit, before I knew any better, I would slide a coin out of its flip and not pay attention to ensuring that it did not touch the flip as it was coming out, but after a dozen times doing so the coin seemed to have hair lining in the fields. A dirty flip will do that to a Proof coin, especially if the flip has been reused and has dust and debris present. I would bet that the hair lining is not as noticeable in hand as the photos suggest. -Dan

Brol

yeah, I think I lost on this one. The place had really bad lighting and I spend just a couple of seconds looking at coin. I thought that I'm buying from really well known dealer in my city and didn't even think that scratches are on coin, not on the capsule.
I will try to call him today and will see if he's taking returns, but I think I already know the answer and the price for my inexperience.
I know some people might say , buy the coin in the holder, but you can't find one for sale which is already graded.
Really expensive tuition this time

thanks for your help guys!

Brol

I was not able to recognize or lines were raised or incused. Simply not enough experience..
Coin was returned to the shop and I want to thank shop owner for a problem free refund.
Thanks guys for your help.

LochNESS

Learn something new every day. Always carry a loupe when buying, so you can examine before the sale.

Jinx86

Keep a good standing with local dealers though. Even if you don't like anything you see next trip still make a "courtesy buy". Once established with some dealers they break out the "good" stuff.

ormandh

<< <i>yeah, I think I lost on this one. The place had really bad lighting and I spend just a couple of seconds looking at coin. I thought that I'm buying from really well known dealer in my city and didn't even think that scratches are on coin, not on the capsule.
I will try to call him today and will see if he's taking returns, but I think I already know the answer and the price for my inexperience.
I know some people might say , buy the coin in the holder, but you can't find one for sale which is already graded.
Really expensive tuition this time

thanks for your help guys! >>



Did you pay a premium on the coin or did you pay gold price? I do not mind being the first to say that paying a premium for modern gold is not a good investment at this point anyway. I have bought modern gold pieces at a premium in recent years and had a problem getting rid of these coins. I realize now that I simply lost money because there is no market for modern gold coins, regardless of mintage. This is not to say that if one was to hold the coins for a few years that this would change for the benefit of your purchase price, but I could not be the one to say that this would be the case. Good luck! -Dan

Brol

Yeah, I paid a good premium over spot. I know prices of current Modern Lithuanian coins pretty good and price I paid was right on the spot for problem free example. But this one was not without a problems.

My friend have the same coin (coin in picture below) and his coin is "problems free". He send that picture straight from his safety deposit box. He said that all scratches are on the plastic capsule and he cannot see any on the coin surface.
Anyway, if someone have this coin for $1600-1700 (even with problems) I would buy 2 of them right away

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i>Yeah, I paid a good premium over spot. I know prices of current Modern Lithuanian coins pretty good and price I paid was right on the spot for problem free example. But this one was not without a problems.

My friend have the same coin (coin in picture below) and his coin is "problems free". He send that picture straight from his safety deposit box. He said that all scratches are on the plastic capsule and he cannot see any on the coin surface.
Anyway, if someone have this coin for $1600-1700 (even with problems) I would buy 2 of them right away
>>




You make me wonder if you really learned something from this experience. Asking if anyone has it (even with problems) for $$$$ is not the best tactic for a modern Lithuanian commem. You don't want to buy anything with problems, much less on a modern proof commemorative. It is in fact these commems that are more often traded, as they are quite popular in all their countries of issue. Be patient, and it will eventually appear as it should: either in its original box, in capsules with COA, or slabbed at some point, and some auction. JMHO.