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1968 Mira Cassius Clay

eagles33eagles33 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭
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I have never seen this card before. I don't really understand why some of these Mira cards are so easy to find while others are impossible. I dont know if their are sp cards or not.. i didn't bid on this since its not a rookie card so its not really something that fits my collection... I was just interested to see what it was worth... And thought it was an interesting card. Not a bad final price for a raw 8th year card either. I actually thought it could go a bit higher. The condition looks really sharp for this set. It's definitely one his coolest cards IMO.

Cassius Clay

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  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    I bid just over $300 to see where it ended up and yes that is a healthy price for ungraded overseas issue......
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  • kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    I bid $555 and didn't think I had a chance of winning. Maybe some more will surface after seeing that price.
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  • kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    I bid $555 and didn't think I had a chance of winning. Maybe some more will surface after seeing that price. Sorry double post
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  • Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    That's the first I've ever seen myself, and I've owned a bunch of cards from this set. Someone somewhere is hoarding a bunch of the Clay and Palmer cards.
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  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Huge price for the Clay. I wonder how much difference there would have been in sale price relative to condition, meaning, is it so rare that it would have sold for a lot regardless of whether it had more or less flaws than the example we saw? That seller had a lot of 1968 Mira auctions end yesterday, with a decent amount of variance in condition among them. Someone got a seemingly great deal on the 1968 Mira Lew Alcindor, which looked really good except the print defect in the name on front.
  • eagles33eagles33 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭
    The Alcindor, chamberlain ect seem to pop up on eBay quite often. I don't think they are anywhere close to as rare as the cassius clay. I have no idea why some cards are so much more rare than others. This is literally the first time I have even seen the Clay card. I check eBay and Italian sites all the time and its a true rarity. The condition also looked super sharp. I think the seller could have realized quite about more if he got it slabbed first and consigned it. This is a good seller. I wasn't happy with a card I got from him and he made it hassle free and refunded me... But I don't think foreign sellers understand the importance of condition, trimming, altering ect that are so important in the hobby. For example the lampo that he sold looks way to narrow to me. I don't think the seller is deliberately selling alters cards... I just think he doesn't realize it maters so much. So on some of the big dollar rarities that he gets it would worth his time to get them slabbed IMO
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  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sure hope the winner was able to get a good back scan before bidding. There's no way I would bid on that card without a back scan. As has been mentioned, condition is a different animal over in Europe.

    The fact that it's an "8th year card" makes little difference. Almost across the board, any fighter's perceived "rookie card" is almost never the most desireable, most rare, and most valuable in an open market. In fact, usually there's a dozen(s) cards more desireable than the perceived "rookie cards."
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I certainly did not win the Clay, but I requested, and promptly received, good back scans of other items from that same seller.
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The fact that it's an "8th year card" makes little difference. Almost across the board, any fighter's perceived "rookie card" is almost never the most desireable, most rare, and most valuable in an open market. In fact, usually there's a dozen(s) cards more desireable than the perceived "rookie cards." >>



    Absolutely. The 1964 Chocolates Simon, 1972 Editorial Bruguera Todo, and of course the Lampo, all easily outsell the Hemmets any day.
  • eagles33eagles33 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭
    100% agree on vintage boxing.. but I think that most boxing rookies after 1960 are generally the most valuable. Ali is the exception I think because there are a lot of player collectors that compete in the registry. There also isn't a generally accepted rookie card for everyone to target either, which I think hurts the value of his "rookie". There are all different camps.. the Hemmets, Simons, Lampo and the Idoler which psa won't grade for some reason. It's part of the charm about collect these kind of cards but I still wish smr would do an article on Ali cards to at least dispel any ideas that the 1971 barratt card is a "rookie" .. It could be the only boxing card that I would say is grossly over valued.. That and any 48 leaf cards at card shows.
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  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>100% agree on vintage boxing.. but I think that most boxing rookies after 1960 are generally the most valuable. Ali is the exception I think because there are a lot of player collectors that compete in the registry. There also isn't a generally accepted rookie card for everyone to target either, which I think hurts the value of his "rookie". There are all different camps.. the Hemmets, Simons, Lampo and the Idoler which psa won't grade for some reason. It's part of the charm about collect these kind of cards but I still wish smr would do an article on Ali cards to at least dispel any ideas that the 1971 barratt card is a "rookie" .. It could be the only boxing card that I would say is grossly over valued.. That and any 48 leaf cards at card shows. >>



    I think this has more to do with the lack of cataloging and discovery of foreign issues from the 1960s and 1970s than because it happens to be the fighter's rookie card. There's much more out there than is currently widely-known and I would expect that there's even more from countries that aren't currently being mined and other countries that aren't ebay compatible. When we talk about boxing cards from the 60s and 70s we're basically limited to Italy (mostly) and Spain (a few), in terms of the widely-known issues.

    What everyone has to remember is that boxing cards are NOTHING like cards from the 4 major sports. It's still pretty much the wild west out there as a few dozen people attempt to catalogue and discover new issues. With those people there's usually a narrower focus and the release of information is restricted. If someone sits back and waits for an issue to be graded by PSA or posted on this message board they're going to be late to the party. That's just my $0.02.
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