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1858 Flying Eagle - real or counterfeit? different photos page two.

BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Please discuss.

Better photos page two.

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  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    your screen name describes a handful of people here.... none of them would admit to it, even if they are aware of it
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The photos are not the best.......Real but polished or altered surfaces was my thought.
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  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    looks wizzed or phony, could just be that the dies were overworked. design elements just arent as sharp as they should be
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>your screen name describes a handful of people here.... none of them would admit to it, even if they are aware of it >>



    I admit to it, even embrace it every day. Married a long, long time image

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Polished ex jewelry would be my guess.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, not real. A fake....note the little bumps above and left of date.
    Dentils are mushy.
    bob
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm thinking fake also......everything just seems 'shallow' or something.
    And it looks polished as well!

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    too dark photos
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭
    Polished and probably lightly whizzed, giving it the funky details. Genuine.
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    I think genuine but almost certainly altered surfaces of some sort
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    weird reverswe denticles

    4-5 oclock are longer than 12oclock
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  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭

    << your screen name describes a handful of people here.... none of them would admit to it, even if they are aware of it >>

    I admit to it, even embrace it every day. Married a long, long time

    image ...Great answer....image

    JMO but the coin looks messed with..............
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks real but polished.
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  • tlbrowntlbrown Posts: 100
    What a crazy hobby/ obsession I got myself into. It's so unfortunate we have so many posts whether a coin genuine or counterfeit. I guess that's why numbers of new collectors continues to decline. But to get back to the original post, I would say counterfeit. The surfaces looks cast to me. I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tlbrown, if you use these posts as a learning experience, you will gain from it. That's what BlindedByEgo is trying to do by posting it.
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  • tlbrowntlbrown Posts: 100


    << <i>tlbrown, if you use these posts as a learning experience, you will gain from it. That's what BlindedByEgo is trying to do by posting it. >>



    Understood. That's what all us are trying to do. Just a observation on how the so many counterfeit coins are flowing through the market..
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't tell from those photos. The weakness on AMERICA and ONE CENT is very suspicious, but it could be the result of extremely excessive whizzing and/or polishing.

    The lack of contact marks is also suspicious, but they might have been buffed away.

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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Absolutely genuine, whizzed within an inch of its life. Saw one just like it yesterday.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it were a 1857, it would certainly be a fake. Who can tell me the reason why (except Capt Henway)
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If it were a 1857, it would certainly be a fake. Who can tell me the reason why (except Capt Henway) >>



    Large letter vs small letter? Just a guess.
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭
    Something to do with the reverse and the font type of ONE CENT? (Thin vs. Thick)
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reverse is the "Low Leaves" type, used only in 1858 (some restrike 1856 FE's have it too). If it were a 1857, then it would certainly be fake.
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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,284 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It very much looks like it has been plated - a copper plating gives that nice red color, covers marks on upper AU / lower MS, but mutes details

    The reverse wreath is supposed to be made with parts from wheat, corn, cotton, and tobacco .. I am not positive what is where, but the things up at the top have an odd formation in the nobs of the flower or whatever it is..


    I would need to look at lots of pictures and find one that has the grease filled look of AMERICA on the obverse.

    But it really comes down to what is it worth? If plated, even if authentic, I would not be interested at 10% MS values
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same coin, better lighting.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boy, somebody whizzed all over that coin.....
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you can see the circular arcs above the eagle's wing
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Definitely better images the 2nd time around -- a "poster child" for whizzing. Genuine.
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The reverse is the "Low Leaves" type, used only in 1858 (some restrike 1856 FE's have it too). If it were a 1857, then it would certainly be fake. >>


    Thanks EagleEye, good information.

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