This is a 10?

zurbs17

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JoeBanzai

Poor scan, card seems to be too far off center to the right with a tilt as well.

I would NEVER grade a card like this a 10. Give it a 9.5. Oh that's right no such thing as a 9.5.

Nice card though, if seller straightens card out inside the holder before scanning, it would show better.

Joe

ergoism

If you're referring to the rough cut at the top, that's normal for OPC cards in that era.

MiniDuff

I'll second the tilt. It is sitting poorly, but that does not hide the noticeable tilt, especially when looking at the bottom left and right borders. It stuns and infuriates me that a tilt can be an eyesore, and still a 10, and snow you need magnification to see and presents better to the eye is a 9 PD at best.

ClockworkAngel

I never understood how or why a tilt can be a 10 either. It's one of the most annoying eyesores out there...how about a 10 MC?

corncobb

Bo Derek is a 10

Thats a Baseball card

dblonski

today's 10 is tommorrow's 9.

DavidPuddy

What I find really amazing is that a major card dealer has such poor quality scans.
Also, that tilt should not be anywhere near a 10 holder.

billwaltonsbeard

<< <i>today's 10 is tommorrow's 9. >>



Or 8,or EOT, or MSR, etc..............

Mapleleaf

I passed on this card due to the tilt - in my book it is a solid 9 at best.

As any collectors of OPC hockey know, there are quite a few 10's with tilt. I asked PSA about this and they allow tilt on OPC hockey only due to the cutting practices at the factory. It's kind of like the allowed rough cut.
The problem with this is that it doesn't differentiate between a 10 with a tilt cut and one that was cut straight. My thoughts is that if there were cards that were cut straight, then the tilt is a flaw and shouldn't receive a 10. Kind of like cards that aren't centered don't get a 10 because occasionally the factory produced a well centered one. I also believe excess rough cut shouldn't get a 10 since there were some good cuts produced by the factory. I accept PSA's position on this but avoid the cards I don't like. I have bought some commons with tilt because you can't be too picky when you are paying just over grading fees.

emar

I've bought from 4_sharp and always been happy.

Does he sub his own cards? I've often wondered about preferred customer treatment from PSA...currently 52,672 10's on the auction block.
Not trying to bash 4_sharp. Always a question in the back of my mind

Mapleleaf

I've bought from them as well. They sub a lot of cards so odds of them getting a 40/60 or a tilt that grades a 10 are high. I have bought some 9's from them that looked like 10's so I don't think it is preferential treatment. If they have a 40/60 PSA 10 that I want, I just wait until someone else buys it and take the next one that they list. They often have multiple copies of the same card and if not, they usually get them fairly soon.

JoeBanzai

<< <i>If you're referring to the rough cut at the top, that's normal for OPC cards in that era. >>



No one replying to this thread has mentioned the rough cut, however I think a card with a rough cut should not receive a 10 even if it is "normal" for the issue. What if you have two identical cards both "perfect" but one has a rough cut and one is authentic but was one of the few to have smooth edges? Another instance where 9.5 would come in handy.

My comment was in reference only to the centering and tilt.

Joe

JoeBanzai

<< <i>As any collectors of OPC hockey know, there are quite a few 10's with tilt. I asked PSA about this and they allow tilt on OPC hockey only due to the cutting practices at the factory. It's kind of like the allowed rough cut.
The problem with this is that it doesn't differentiate between a 10 with a tilt cut and one that was cut straight. My thoughts is that if there were cards that were cut straight, then the tilt is a flaw and shouldn't receive a 10. Kind of like cards that aren't centered don't get a 10 because occasionally the factory produced a well centered one. I also believe excess rough cut shouldn't get a 10 since there were some good cuts produced by the factory. I accept PSA's position on this but avoid the cards I don't like. I have bought some commons with tilt because you can't be too picky when you are paying just over grading fees. >>



Right ON!

grote15

I have no issues with cards that are naturally rough cut from the factory grading PSA 10 as long as the card exhibits all other attributes of a gem mint card. Every 1978 Brett card has a break in the yellow border on the left side of the card, which is a factory defect, but that shouldn't prevent an otherwise card grading gem mint. I've opened a lot of OPC baseball from the 1970s, and for me the rough cut is an attribute--it maens the cards are factory fresh and not sheet cut.

With regard to this particular card, the tilt is too bothersome to me personally, and I'd never bid on it for that reason alone. A tilt is 10x worse than a card with a rough cut, imo..

JoeBanzai

To me there's a big difference between a printing error like the '78 Brett and a rough cut. ALL the '78 Bretts came out that way (I am going along with your claim as I have no idea on this card).

HOWEVER some cards cut at OPC had little or no rough cut. Let's say the OPC card was on the top of the stack and the blades (or whatever they used) were sharp and the card comes out "perfect". There you go, a 10. Same card with a light rough cut there's my 9.5 medium rough cut 9 more extreme rough cuts would drop it further. How far do we go with the rough cut forgiveness? Chop them up with a chainsaw?

People are centering crazy, that and tilts DESTROY otherwise perfect cards grade, but no one says "well that's the way they cut them at Topps back then."

In my opinion PSA decided to ignore the rough cut as a defect, that's their decision and they have every right to decide that way.

Years ago, I operated a shear that cut fiberglass and sometimes cardboard and paper, when the blades were sharp and adjusted properly, it made a perfect cut on even one piece of paper. Perhaps this is why I am not a fan of the rough cut.

Joe