The ROI on serial numbered and autogrpahed PSA 10 modern can be insane...and is my favorite to flip. There's a huge present (and future) for this kind of stuff.
You aren't going to find the set builders like vintage...but there are MANY die hard high grade modern collectors that pay dearly for what they want.
<< <i>because as time marches on and older collectors are no longer driving interest in those past legends, interest in their cards will wane.
This is the logic used by modern player collectors. I thinks it's ridiculous. >>
Yeah, I don't understand this thinking at all. I grew up collecting late-80s/early-90s and the vast majority of my current collection is pre-war. People collect, that's the driving force. While I believe people, when first re-entering the hobby, tend to gravitate toward what they collected as a kid, exposure and knowledge also tend to expand that area of focus. When I first joined CU I didn't know ANYTHING about pre-war. But slowly being exposed to and learning about all the different issues available I became drawn to them because, above all else, I am a COLLECTOR.
Keep in mind, there's going to be an entirely different point of view depending on where you ask this question. If you ask it here, there's going to be a lot of 1980s-2000 answers. If you ask it on Beckett, you're going to get a lot of 2000-current answers. If you ask it on Net54, you're going to get a lot of pre-war answers. What this tells me is that people tend to view their area of focus as strong with the ability to grow. I'm guessing they share that view because they're all collectors and this madness is in our blood, not likely to leave anytime soon.
In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. If we cut the number of baseball card collectors in half at that point, you can pretty much cut out the value of the lower graded collections to close to nothing. If you are collecting and have a crap collection, no one will want to buy it in the future as the demand will not exceed the supply. We are in the renaissance of the hobby right now and it will decline sharply as we get old and die. If half of our kids are even interested in our collections, we'll be lucky. For this reason, you need to go high grade PSA 9 or higher on all modern cards to hold on to your shirt. If investing in prewar, you need to invest in rarity and popularity. Thar could be low populations or rarity within popular sets such as the surge we see in t206 back collectors. Popularity means HOFers. I collect cards as a hobby so i dont care if my cards are worth nothing one day. They hold value to me and that's fine.
If you are looking to collect for an investment though, watch what your kids are in to because their generation will seek it out and return to THEIR hobbies for nostalgia, not OURS. Your odds are much better following their lead on this one. Look at the prices people get for vintage video games, game consoles, and garbage pail kids. The shift is already starting.
I collect Cal Ripken cards, T206, E95, E210, R319.
<< <i>I think there's room for both vintage and modern.
The ROI on serial numbered and autogrpahed PSA 10 modern can be insane...and is my favorite to flip. There's a huge present (and future) for this kind of stuff.
You aren't going to find the set builders like vintage...but there are MANY die hard high grade modern collectors that pay dearly for what they want. >>
Serial numbered and autographed PSA 10's.... and...
Maybe one of the only non-rookie exceptions I can think of... Michael Jordan.
I just lost an auction last night. Today, I am both disappointed and relieved. The card is a basic set card, from his last year in the NBA. 2002 Fleer Ultra. It's a pop 2 PSA 10 tough (I currently own a 9)... with about 30 seconds left in the auction... it was only sitting around $50... I bid what I thought was stupid money for the card ($150)... that wasn't enough... so with a few seconds left, I said screw it... $300.
I lost the auction... it closed at $305
Raw, you can buy the card all day for $1-2.
Of course, there are also many examples of low pop (PSA or Raw) inserts of Jordan that sell for stupid money!
<< <i>In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. >>
I agree with what you're saying... and I share that fear... however...
I'm a collector from the generation of late 80's/early 90's youth... and in 30 years, I'll be 65... dang, I hope we're not dying off quite then!!!
<< <i>In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. If we cut the number of baseball card collectors in half at that point, you can pretty much cut out the value of the lower graded collections to close to nothing. If you are collecting and have a crap collection, no one will want to buy it in the future as the demand will not exceed the supply. We are in the renaissance of the hobby right now and it will decline sharply as we get old and die. If half of our kids are even interested in our collections, we'll be lucky. For this reason, you need to go high grade PSA 9 or higher on all modern cards to hold on to your shirt. If investing in prewar, you need to invest in rarity and popularity. Thar could be low populations or rarity within popular sets such as the surge we see in t206 back collectors. Popularity means HOFers. I collect cards as a hobby so i dont care if my cards are worth nothing one day. They hold value to me and that's fine.
If you are looking to collect for an investment though, watch what your kids are in to because their generation will seek it out and return to THEIR hobbies for nostalgia, not OURS. Your odds are much better following their lead on this one. Look at the prices people get for vintage video games, game consoles, and garbage pail kids. The shift is already starting. >>
I never thought of it that way, but I think you are dead on about our children. Its gonna be their money in 20-30 years that people want. So if you want somebodys money, you gotta be selling what they want!! Dang, gonna be giving kids a pop quiz when they get home
<< <i>I think there's room for both vintage and modern.
The ROI on serial numbered and autogrpahed PSA 10 modern can be insane...and is my favorite to flip. There's a huge present (and future) for this kind of stuff.
You aren't going to find the set builders like vintage...but there are MANY die hard high grade modern collectors that pay dearly for what they want. >>
Serial numbered and autographed PSA 10's.... and...
Maybe one of the only non-rookie exceptions I can think of... Michael Jordan.
I just lost an auction last night. Today, I am both disappointed and relieved. The card is a basic set card, from his last year in the NBA. 2002 Fleer Ultra. It's a pop 2 PSA 10 tough (I currently own a 9)... with about 30 seconds left in the auction... it was only sitting around $50... I bid what I thought was stupid money for the card ($150)... that wasn't enough... so with a few seconds left, I said screw it... $300.
I lost the auction... it closed at $305
Raw, you can buy the card all day for $1-2.
Of course, there are also many examples of low pop (PSA or Raw) inserts of Jordan that sell for stupid money! >>
Totally agree on Jordan..and not nearly the same level, but Jeter seems to command some really nice prices still.
<< <i>In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. >>
I agree with what you're saying... and I share that fear... however...
I'm a collector from the generation of late 80's/early 90's youth... and in 30 years, I'll be 65... dang, I hope we're not dying off quite then!!! >>
Same here, and if the card show I went to a few weeks ago is any indication there are lots of 30 year old's still in the hobby. We were 12 when the hobby exploded and then imploded in the 90's and yet there is still a growing demand for cards. I don't see any reason why there won't be a next generation of collectors that want cardboard of their favorite players.
As long as humans collect art, plates, books, stamps, coins etc there will be a market for cards. There is just as much chance of another 90s boom as there is of the hobby fading away IMO.
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This is the logic used by modern player collectors. I thinks it's ridiculous.
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The ROI on serial numbered and autogrpahed PSA 10 modern can be insane...and is my favorite to flip. There's a huge present (and future) for this kind of stuff.
You aren't going to find the set builders like vintage...but there are MANY die hard high grade modern collectors that pay dearly for what they want.
<< <i>because as time marches on and older collectors are no longer driving interest in those past legends, interest in their cards will wane.
This is the logic used by modern player collectors. I thinks it's ridiculous. >>
Yeah, I don't understand this thinking at all. I grew up collecting late-80s/early-90s and the vast majority of my current collection is pre-war. People collect, that's the driving force. While I believe people, when first re-entering the hobby, tend to gravitate toward what they collected as a kid, exposure and knowledge also tend to expand that area of focus. When I first joined CU I didn't know ANYTHING about pre-war. But slowly being exposed to and learning about all the different issues available I became drawn to them because, above all else, I am a COLLECTOR.
Keep in mind, there's going to be an entirely different point of view depending on where you ask this question. If you ask it here, there's going to be a lot of 1980s-2000 answers. If you ask it on Beckett, you're going to get a lot of 2000-current answers. If you ask it on Net54, you're going to get a lot of pre-war answers. What this tells me is that people tend to view their area of focus as strong with the ability to grow. I'm guessing they share that view because they're all collectors and this madness is in our blood, not likely to leave anytime soon.
If you are looking to collect for an investment though, watch what your kids are in to because their generation will seek it out and return to THEIR hobbies for nostalgia, not OURS. Your odds are much better following their lead on this one. Look at the prices people get for vintage video games, game consoles, and garbage pail kids. The shift is already starting.
<< <i>I think there's room for both vintage and modern.
The ROI on serial numbered and autogrpahed PSA 10 modern can be insane...and is my favorite to flip. There's a huge present (and future) for this kind of stuff.
You aren't going to find the set builders like vintage...but there are MANY die hard high grade modern collectors that pay dearly for what they want. >>
Serial numbered and autographed PSA 10's.... and...
Maybe one of the only non-rookie exceptions I can think of... Michael Jordan.
I just lost an auction last night. Today, I am both disappointed and relieved. The card is a basic set card, from his last year in the NBA. 2002 Fleer Ultra. It's a pop 2 PSA 10 tough (I currently own a 9)... with about 30 seconds left in the auction... it was only sitting around $50... I bid what I thought was stupid money for the card ($150)... that wasn't enough... so with a few seconds left, I said screw it... $300.
I lost the auction... it closed at $305
Raw, you can buy the card all day for $1-2.
Of course, there are also many examples of low pop (PSA or Raw) inserts of Jordan that sell for stupid money!
<< <i>In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. >>
I agree with what you're saying... and I share that fear... however...
I'm a collector from the generation of late 80's/early 90's youth... and in 30 years, I'll be 65... dang, I hope we're not dying off quite then!!!
<< <i>In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. If we cut the number of baseball card collectors in half at that point, you can pretty much cut out the value of the lower graded collections to close to nothing. If you are collecting and have a crap collection, no one will want to buy it in the future as the demand will not exceed the supply. We are in the renaissance of the hobby right now and it will decline sharply as we get old and die. If half of our kids are even interested in our collections, we'll be lucky. For this reason, you need to go high grade PSA 9 or higher on all modern cards to hold on to your shirt. If investing in prewar, you need to invest in rarity and popularity. Thar could be low populations or rarity within popular sets such as the surge we see in t206 back collectors. Popularity means HOFers. I collect cards as a hobby so i dont care if my cards are worth nothing one day. They hold value to me and that's fine.
If you are looking to collect for an investment though, watch what your kids are in to because their generation will seek it out and return to THEIR hobbies for nostalgia, not OURS. Your odds are much better following their lead on this one. Look at the prices people get for vintage video games, game consoles, and garbage pail kids. The shift is already starting. >>
I never thought of it that way, but I think you are dead on about our children. Its gonna be their money in 20-30 years that people want. So if you want somebodys money, you gotta be selling what they want!! Dang, gonna be giving kids a pop quiz when they get home
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<< <i>I think there's room for both vintage and modern.
The ROI on serial numbered and autogrpahed PSA 10 modern can be insane...and is my favorite to flip. There's a huge present (and future) for this kind of stuff.
You aren't going to find the set builders like vintage...but there are MANY die hard high grade modern collectors that pay dearly for what they want. >>
Serial numbered and autographed PSA 10's.... and...
Maybe one of the only non-rookie exceptions I can think of... Michael Jordan.
I just lost an auction last night. Today, I am both disappointed and relieved. The card is a basic set card, from his last year in the NBA. 2002 Fleer Ultra. It's a pop 2 PSA 10 tough (I currently own a 9)... with about 30 seconds left in the auction... it was only sitting around $50... I bid what I thought was stupid money for the card ($150)... that wasn't enough... so with a few seconds left, I said screw it... $300.
I lost the auction... it closed at $305
Raw, you can buy the card all day for $1-2.
Of course, there are also many examples of low pop (PSA or Raw) inserts of Jordan that sell for stupid money! >>
Totally agree on Jordan..and not nearly the same level, but Jeter seems to command some really nice prices still.
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<< <i>In the next 30 years, the majority of my generation (late80s/early 90s youth) will start dying off and the market for collecting sports cards will die off with them. >>
I agree with what you're saying... and I share that fear... however...
I'm a collector from the generation of late 80's/early 90's youth... and in 30 years, I'll be 65... dang, I hope we're not dying off quite then!!! >>
Same here, and if the card show I went to a few weeks ago is any indication there are lots of 30 year old's still in the hobby. We were 12 when the hobby exploded and then imploded in the 90's and yet there is still a growing demand for cards. I don't see any reason why there won't be a next generation of collectors that want cardboard of their favorite players.
As long as humans collect art, plates, books, stamps, coins etc there will be a market for cards. There is just as much chance of another 90s boom as there is of the hobby fading away IMO.