I've been searching around for a nice circ Great Britain stamped ocho and came across this, stamped and chopped ! Just the thing my collection needed !
<< <i>Awesome. Love it. Looks similar to this piece. >>
Those octoganals are cooler than cool ! These small oval stamps are much more common, but this is the first I've seen with chop marks ...anybody here have any more to show ?
Am I the only one who thinks this is a silver plated copper core counterfeit? The details seem correct, but red oxidation on the reverse, for example, is unusual. There are different length dentils on the reverse near the "F" in the assayer initials, as well. I haven't researched GIII punches, so can't speak for the authenticity of the counterstamp.
Can you post images of the edge and the weight? Would be really nice to see into that test cut at 12 o'clock on the obverse.
This is a very intriguing development...! I don't have a weight yet, except to say that it feels right in hand. I also made a Very tiny pin scratch down in the rim test ding and saw bright silver under glass. I suspect that my white balance is a tad off, and there is a good amount of orangish crust on the coin that may be giving my images a copperish look.
I had always assumed that the rust stains occasionally seen on these coins was due to alloying issues paired with regular old environmental damage. I'd imagine that when large quantities of silver made there way across the globe, to and from one tropical environment to another, many of them probably wound up looking pretty bad ! Could be why so many chopped coins are often cleaned to death...
Here is a closer pic of the short dentil and some of the rust..
Here is a pic of another chopped milled dollar I own with a large rust stain
The edge, and a bit of "fresh" silver down in the test cut
<< <i>Wow, that coin has a lot goin' on. All that and CircCam contrast, too!
Too bad George III got hit afterwards by some of those little squarish punches.
Man, if that one could talk, eh? Neat.
You're on a roll, here. >>
I thought of you right away LM ! This little guy is SO close to being a double circ cam ! Thinking I may carry it around in my pocket for awhile and see if that might come to be
True about the square punch, but at least they missed his face !
I have come across a few of these, even one that NGC said had a fake king george countermark. This is the only one I've found that wasn't beat to pieces both wear and chops. Just a scan but you get the idea.
NEN has three graded (tho unchopped) examples currently. This one is the prettiest, in my opinion:
Great Britain 1797-99 (ND) Silver Dollar C/S on Bolivia 8 Reales ESC-131 NGC XF45 Host coin a 1795-PTS PR 8 Reales, S-3765A. Deep antique patina, Spink lists at 650 pounds in VF. $1,150
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Weiss, I've had serious thoughts of calling about that very coin ! It's my fave of the three as well...I'd have to give something up to do so, so i haven't been able to pull the trigger so to speak. NEN is a great company to work with, very fair on trade deals in my experience.
<< <i>Weiss, I've had serious thoughts of calling about that very coin ! It's my fave of the three as well...I'd have to give something up to do so, so i haven't been able to pull the trigger so to speak. NEN is a great company to work with, very fair on trade deals in my experience. >>
I hear you. I don't collect anything like these pieces, but that one is so striking (pardon the pun) that I thought about it buying it, too. I've bought a couple of pieces from NEN and they are great to work with.
You can bet with this post it'll be gone in a day or two
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Hey, haven't had a chance to look at the pictures on a big screen - the phone is not the best device to do this. I'll find some time tonight to go through what you've posted. Any chance you have the weight? Also, you mention that you did a scratch test - if you don't mind scratching, can you do it inside one of the test cuts and not on the edge? Although the cut is deep enough that if it was plating, you should be able to see the lesser core under a loupe.
I haven't weighed it yet...but the scatch test down in the test cut came up silver under the crust. I think it's real, but I still have to check the weight.
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<< <i>Awesome. Love it. Looks similar to this piece. >>
Those octoganals are cooler than cool ! These small oval stamps are much more common, but this is the
first I've seen with chop marks ...anybody here have any more to show ?
Can you post images of the edge and the weight? Would be really nice to see into that test cut at 12 o'clock on the obverse.
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I don't have a weight yet, except to say that it feels right in hand. I also made a Very tiny pin scratch down in the rim test ding and saw bright silver under glass.
I suspect that my white balance is a tad off, and there is a good amount of orangish crust on the coin that may be giving my images a copperish look.
I had always assumed that the rust stains occasionally seen on these coins was due to alloying issues paired with regular old environmental damage. I'd imagine that when large quantities
of silver made there way across the globe, to and from one tropical environment to another, many of them probably wound up looking pretty bad !
Could be why so many chopped coins are often cleaned to death...
Here is a closer pic of the short dentil and some of the rust..
Here is a pic of another chopped milled dollar I own with a large rust stain
The edge, and a bit of "fresh" silver down in the test cut
Too bad George III got hit afterwards by some of those little squarish punches.
Man, if that one could talk, eh? Neat.
You're on a roll, here.
<< <i>Wow, that coin has a lot goin' on. All that and CircCam contrast, too!
Too bad George III got hit afterwards by some of those little squarish punches.
Man, if that one could talk, eh? Neat.
You're on a roll, here. >>
I thought of you right away LM !
This little guy is SO close to being a double circ cam !
Thinking I may carry it around in my pocket for awhile and see if that might come to be
True about the square punch, but at least they missed his face !
Any further thought on the authenticity of the one I posted...anybody ?
Great Britain 1797-99 (ND) Silver Dollar C/S on Bolivia 8 Reales ESC-131
NGC XF45
Host coin a 1795-PTS PR 8 Reales, S-3765A.
Deep antique patina, Spink lists at 650 pounds in VF. $1,150
--Severian the Lame
so to speak. NEN is a great company to work with, very fair on trade deals in my experience.
<< <i>Weiss, I've had serious thoughts of calling about that very coin ! It's my fave of the three as well...I'd have to give something up to do so, so i haven't been able to pull the trigger
so to speak. NEN is a great company to work with, very fair on trade deals in my experience. >>
I hear you. I don't collect anything like these pieces, but that one is so striking (pardon the pun) that I thought about it buying it, too. I've bought a couple of pieces from NEN and they are great to work with.
You can bet with this post it'll be gone in a day or two
--Severian the Lame
Stamped the head of a fool
On the neck of an ---."
<< <i>You can bet with this post it'll be gone in a day or two >>
Seriously...but there will be more !
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