Is this a rebuilt corner?

Maurice

Bottom right. Looks like it is coming unattached.

expertcollector

looks like PSA messed up on this one

grote15

Yikes!

vladguerrero

Omg.

Dboneesq

8.5 or 2.5 ?????????????????????

expertcollector

i wonder if PSA has graders for non expensive cards. maybe a rookie grader graded this card.

dtkk49a

The card was probably graded right after being rebuilt and now has started to come apart.

MomandPopCardShop

How that card got past PSA is beyond me. We once had a 61 Jim Brown from another grading company that was graded VG with rounded corners, we gave it back to them and asked them to lower the grade. We were too embarrassed to sell it as VG.

brianwintersfan

This is from a former board member who posted this elsewhere.

"Was probably like that when graded. Like I said, it isn't uncommon (very similar to the perfs in '77 Topps Mexican Football). The perforation break may look worse in the scan than to the naked eye. Could also have shift a little since grading. All in all, it isn't something that I would be excessively alarmed about knowing the issue. Others that don't know the issue may raise their arms and shout conspiracy or alteration, but they would be speaking from a position of ignorance rather than knowledge . . . something that is not all too uncommon on the CU boards."

OAKESY25

"Was probably like that when graded. Like I said, it isn't uncommon (very similar to the perfs in '77 Topps Mexican Football). The perforation break may look worse in the scan than to the naked eye. Could also have shift a little since grading. All in all, it isn't something that I would be excessively alarmed about knowing the issue. Others that don't know the issue may raise their arms and shout conspiracy or alteration, but they would be speaking from a position of ignorance rather than knowledge . . . something that is not all too uncommon on the CU boards."


Agreed...

61 post perforated issues look very similar, not rebuilt or misgraded imo

Maurice

To the former board member:

The perforation break on the bottom right of a 1951 Berk Ross Allie Reynolds card is directly on the corner and will extend down past the corner. The bottom right corner of the card pictured above, if not rebuilt, appears to have been squared up.

otwcards

<< <i>To the former board member:

The perforation break on the bottom right of a 1951 Berk Ross Allie Reynolds card is directly on the corner and will extend down past the corner. The bottom right corner of the card pictured above, if not rebuilt, appears to have been squared up. >>



"Squared up" would probably amount to having been "clipped." Again, not something uncommon with the perforated issues, without going into specific details, and I think most TPG's afford some leniency with the clipping of the perfs before labeling them hand-cut or rejecting them altogether.

3BoyzTrading

The corner broke! Really though, at first glance, I noticed it was a perforated issue. I still dont see how it could rate the 8.5 unless the paper started to peel after it was holdered or it was bumped after it was graded and prior to holdering.

Maurice

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<< <i>To the former board member:

The perforation break on the bottom right of a 1951 Berk Ross Allie Reynolds card is directly on the corner and will extend down past the corner. The bottom right corner of the card pictured above, if not rebuilt, appears to have been squared up. >>



"Squared up" would probably amount to having been "clipped." Again, not something uncommon with the perforated issues, without going into specific details, and I think most TPG's afford some leniency with the clipping of the perfs before labeling them hand-cut or rejecting them altogether. >>


This card didn't have a sharp and square bottom right corner when it left the factory. It was altered.

stown

<< <i>This card didn't have a sharp and square bottom right corner when it left the factory. It was altered. >>



I don't have much experience with the '51 Berk Ross set but that sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion. Do you know the back story or just have absolute confidence that's the case?

JHS5120

I've submitted about 20-25 Berk Ross cards to PSA in the past, these corners are not uncommon. Personally, I don't sub cards with them because I think it could detract from the grade, but I know PSA gives some leniency on the issue. It's not altered IMO.. Overgraded? Maybe, but I would need to see it in person.

KbKards

There's nothing devious going on with the corner. Every Allie Reynolds card is affected somehow by the nibs at the top and bottom of the right edge. It was the right hand card on a two card panel. The left edge was separated by the collector. The right edge was separated by the manufacturer. There's always damage to some degree in the area of the nibs just like there's damage on the left side. Sometimes the corner is ripped off entirely, sometimes there's extra paper, sometimes it looks like what's there is barely hanging on. It's never perfect and just like the left edge it's just the way the card was made and considered differently in grading. Take a look at all the pictures of the single and panel with Kiner on VCP and the corner always has something going on. It's a Berk Ross card and that's the way it is.

Maurice

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<< <i>This card didn't have a sharp and square bottom right corner when it left the factory. It was altered. >>



I don't have much experience with the '51 Berk Ross set but that sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion. Do you know the back story or just have absolute confidence that's the case? >>


stown, as was noted earlier in this thread, the 1951 Berk Ross Allie Reynolds card will have a perforation break that is directly on the bottom right corner and will extend down past the corner. See image below as an example. There's no possible way for the bottom right corner to be square and sharp unless it was altered in some way.

Perhaps there is some leniency in regards to how the grading companies treat these cards when the corner is "squared up" or "clipped", as otwcards mentioned, but that doesn't mean there wasn't an alteration.

handyman

could that extra nub at the bottom of your Berk Ross "maurice" be because it is so off centered? If it was centered like the PSA 8.5 it would be in a square area? And then making that nub be on the top of the next 2 card pannell on the sheet. Or does the nub go with the card on that space every time no matter how the card is centered? I honestly dont know. Thought Id ask this question.

Maurice

<< <i>There's nothing devious going on with the corner. >>


Then explain why it is square and sharp.



<< <i>Every Allie Reynolds card is affected somehow by the nibs at the top and bottom of the right edge. It was the right hand card on a two card panel. The left edge was separated by the collector. The right edge was separated by the manufacturer. There's always damage to some degree in the area of the nibs just like there's damage on the left side. Sometimes the corner is ripped off entirely, sometimes there's extra paper, sometimes it looks like what's there is barely hanging on. It's never perfect and just like the left edge it's just the way the card was made and considered differently in grading. >>


Correct but the example in the original post does have a perfectly square and sharp bottom right corner which is not possible without being altered.

Maurice

<< <i>could that extra nub at the bottom of your Berk Ross "maurice" be because it is so off centered? If it was centered like the PSA 8.5 it would be in a square area? And then making that nub be on the top of the next 2 card pannell on the sheet. Or does the nub go with the card on that space every time no matter how the card is centered? I honestly dont know. Thought Id ask this question. >>


handyman, the perforation break will always be directly on the bottom right corner of the Allie Reynolds card. No way it can be a perfectly clean break resulting in a perfect sharp corner.

stown

Thanks for the insight, Maurice.

KbKards

There's nothing wrong with the look of the corner. It's just one of the hundreds of ways it will look after the factory cut and tore it apart. My "Never Perfect" comment means the corner area isn't supposed to look like what smooth cut Topps and Bowman cards look like. It's just like certain Topps and Bowman cards are more prone to coming with varying degrees of rough cut. A machine cutting/tearing apart Berk Ross sheets will show separation nibs ranging from pretty clean to chunks missing. The corner in the picture looks just like one of the many ways they can come.

Maurice

<< <i>My "Never Perfect" comment means the corner area isn't supposed to look like what smooth cut Topps and Bowman cards look like. >>


Except it does. And that's the problem. It would also be a problem if the bottom left corner of the Allie Reynolds card had a clean, sharp point.

ShreveBo

Very interesting