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Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
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I emailed BJ @ CU. She told me that things would speed along if I came up with weights for this set. I have no idea how to do this. Please help. I would think the SP's, Errors, Reggie Jackson, Yaz, and other superstars would have highest weighting. What do you guys think? Here's a list:


1. Steve Hargan SP
2. Claudell Washington SP
3. Don Gullett SP
4. Randy Jones
5. Jim Hunter
6A. Clay Carroll (Cincinatti Reds on Back)
6B. Clay Carroll ( Chicago White Sox on Back)
7. Joe Rudi
8. Reggie Jackson
9. Felix Millan
10. Jim Rice
11. Bert Blyleven
12. Ken Singleton
13. Don Sutton
14. Joe Morgan
15. Dave Parker
16. Dave Cash
17. Ron LeFlore
18. Greg Luzinski
19. Dennis Eckersley
20. Bill Madlock
21. George Scott
22. Willie Stargell
23. Al Hrabosky
24. Carl Yastrzemski
25A. Jim Kaat (Chicago White Sox on Back)
25B. Jim Kaat (Philadelphia Phillies on Back)
26. Marty Perez
27. Bob Watson
28. Eric Soderholm
29. Bill Lee
30A. Frank Tanana (Error 1975 ERA 2.63
30B. Frank Tanana (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.62
31. Fred Lynn
32A. Tom Seaver (Error 1967 Pct. 552 with no Decimal point)
32B. Tom Seaver (Corr. 1967 Pct. .552 with Decimal Point)
33. Steve Busby
34. Gary Carter
35. Rick Wise
36. Johnny Bench
37. Jim Palmer
38. Bobby Murcer
39. Von Joshua
40. Lou Brock
41A. Mickey Rivers (Missing Bio Line about Yankees
41B. Mickey Rivers (Bio Line has: Yankees obtained.....
42. Manny Sanguillen
43. Jerry Reuss
44. Ken Griffey
45A. Jorge Orta (Error Lifetime AB 1615
45B. Jorge Orta (Corr. Lifetime AB 1616
46. John Mayberry
47A. Vida Blue (Bio Line reads: Struck out more batters...
47B. Vida Blue (Bio Line Reads: Pitched more innings....
48. Rod Carew
49A. Jon Matlack (Error: 1975 ER 87
49B. Jon Matlack (Corr.: 1975 ER 86
50. Boog Powell
51A. Mike Hargrove (Error: Lifetime AB 935
51B. Mike Hargrove (Corr.: Lifetime AB 934
52A. Paul Lindbald (Error: 1975 ERA 2.43
52B. Paul Lindbald (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.72
53. Thurman Munson
54. Steve Garvey
55. Pete Rose
56A. Greg Gross (Error: Lifetime games: 334
56B. Greg Gross ( Corr.: Lifetime Games: 302
57. Ted Simmons


Just put down the number of the weighting you think it should be beside of the card. Please. Thanks, Gregg.
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    # Player Notes Weight

    1. Steve Hargan SP 6
    2. Claudell Washington SP 6
    3. Don Gullett SP 6
    4. Randy Jones 3
    5. Jim Hunter 4
    6A. Clay Carroll (Cincinatti Reds on Back) 4
    6B. Clay Carroll ( Chicago White Sox on Back) 3
    7. Joe Rudi 3
    8. Reggie Jackson 9
    9. Felix Millan 2
    10. Jim Rice 3
    11. Bert Blyleven 3
    12. Ken Singleton 4
    13. Don Sutton 5
    14. Joe Morgan 7
    15. Dave Parker 5
    16. Dave Cash 3
    17. Ron LeFlore 2
    18. Greg Luzinski 3
    19. Dennis Eckersley 5
    20. Bill Madlock 3
    21. George Scott 3
    22. Willie Stargell 7
    23. Al Hrabosky 2
    24. Carl Yastrzemski 9
    25A. Jim Kaat (Chicago White Sox on Back) 5
    25B. Jim Kaat (Philadelphia Phillies on Back) 4
    26. Marty Perez 3
    27. Bob Watson 4
    28. Eric Soderholm 2
    29. Bill Lee 2
    30A. Frank Tanana (Error 1975 ERA 2.63 5
    30B. Frank Tanana (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.62 2
    31. Fred Lynn 4
    32A. Tom Seaver (Error 1967 Pct. 552 with no Decimal point) 6
    32B. Tom Seaver (Corr. 1967 Pct. .552 with Decimal Point) 4
    33. Steve Busby 2
    34. Gary Carter 6
    35. Rick Wise 2
    36. Johnny Bench 8
    37. Jim Palmer 6
    38. Bobby Murcer 3
    39. Von Joshua 2
    40. Lou Brock 9
    41A. Mickey Rivers (Missing Bio Line about Yankees 5
    41B. Mickey Rivers (Bio Line has: Yankees obtained..... 2
    42. Manny Sanguillen 2
    43. Jerry Reuss 3
    44. Ken Griffey 4
    45A. Jorge Orta (Error Lifetime AB 1615 5
    45B. Jorge Orta (Corr. Lifetime AB 1616 2
    46. John Mayberry 3
    47A. Vida Blue (Bio Line reads: Struck out more batters... 4
    47B. Vida Blue (Bio Line Reads: Pitched more innings.... 4
    48. Rod Carew 5
    49A. Jon Matlack (Error: 1975 ER 87 5
    49B. Jon Matlack (Corr.: 1975 ER 86 3
    50. Boog Powell 3
    51A. Mike Hargrove (Error: Lifetime AB 935 5
    51B. Mike Hargrove (Corr.: Lifetime AB 934 2
    52A. Paul Lindbald (Error: 1975 ERA 2.43 4
    52B. Paul Lindbald (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.72 2
    53. Thurman Munson 5
    54. Steve Garvey 6
    55. Pete Rose 8
    56A. Greg Gross (Error: Lifetime games: 334 5
    56B. Greg Gross ( Corr.: Lifetime Games: 302 3
    57. Ted Simmons 2


    Okay, Here's my guess. However I was not born until the season was in full swing. So please don't come on here and berate me about your favorite player being weighted too low. Gemmint, Master Z, and Quality: You guys know more about this than me, please help.
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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    CARDSG12 - The graded weights in all sets goes from 1 to a high of 10 if need be. Your assesment doesn't have any common grades of 1. Surely Randy Jones, Dave Cash, Marty Perez, John Mayberry etc... should,'nt be worth a 3 each. That should be for low level Hall Of Famers like a Don Sutton. Check the regular Topps '76 set of who is a common, a minor star and a superstar, it will give you a better idea...Good Luck!...jay
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    Thanks, Jay. I'll do a little more research this weekend and try to figure something out that fits. I didn't have the slightest of how to do this. I don't know any of the players except the stars. Thanks again. I'll go back to work.
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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Here's an idea:

    Whittle it down and weight the players only by 1-5

    One for commons
    Five for superstars
    +1 for the rarer variation, etc.
    +1 if SP's demand a significant premium

    Minor stars, HOF'ers, etc. all fall in between 2 and 4.

    For example:
    Bert Blyleven 2 or 3
    Joe Rudi 1
    Pete Rose 5
    Greg Gross 1 (2 for the harder variation)
    Dennis Eckersley 5 (rookie card)
    Boog Powell 2
    Rod Carew 3
    Reggie Jackson 4

    Just my thoughts...
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    Okay guys. What do you think about this? I haven't a clue if this would be even close. Like I said I only know of the guys who have been mentioned on game broadcasts. LMK if this is acceptable or if there are any changes that need to be made. Thanks, Gregg.


    1. Steve Hargan SP 4
    2. Claudell Washington SP 4
    3. Don Gullett SP 4
    4. Randy Jones 1
    5. Jim Hunter 3
    6A. Clay Carroll (Cincinatti Reds on Back) 4
    6B. Clay Carroll ( Chicago White Sox on Back) 1
    7. Joe Rudi 1
    8. Reggie Jackson 5
    9. Felix Millan 1
    10. Jim Rice 3
    11. Bert Blyleven 2
    12. Ken Singleton 1
    13. Don Sutton 3
    14. Joe Morgan 4
    15. Dave Parker 4
    16. Dave Cash 1
    17. Ron LeFlore 1
    18. Greg Luzinski 2
    19. Dennis Eckersley 5
    20. Bill Madlock 1
    21. George Scott 2
    22. Willie Stargell 4
    23. Al Hrabosky 1
    24. Carl Yastrzemski 5
    25A. Jim Kaat (Chicago White Sox on Back) 4
    25B. Jim Kaat (Philadelphia Phillies on Back) 2
    26. Marty Perez 1
    27. Bob Watson 1
    28. Eric Soderholm 1
    29. Bill Lee 1
    30A. Frank Tanana (Error 1975 ERA 2.63 3
    30B. Frank Tanana (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.62 1
    31. Fred Lynn 2
    32A. Tom Seaver (Error 1967 Pct. 552 with no Decimal point) 4
    32B. Tom Seaver (Corr. 1967 Pct. .552 with Decimal Point) 3
    33. Steve Busby 1
    34. Gary Carter 4
    35. Rick Wise 1
    36. Johnny Bench 5
    37. Jim Palmer 4
    38. Bobby Murcer 2
    39. Von Joshua 1
    40. Lou Brock 5
    41A. Mickey Rivers (Missing Bio Line about Yankees 5
    41B. Mickey Rivers (Bio Line has: Yankees obtained..... 3
    42. Manny Sanguillen 1
    43. Jerry Reuss 1
    44. Ken Griffey 2
    45A. Jorge Orta (Error Lifetime AB 1615 4
    45B. Jorge Orta (Corr. Lifetime AB 1616 2
    46. John Mayberry 1
    47A. Vida Blue (Bio Line reads: Struck out more batters... 4
    47B. Vida Blue (Bio Line Reads: Pitched more innings.... 2
    48. Rod Carew 3
    49A. Jon Matlack (Error: 1975 ER 87 4
    49B. Jon Matlack (Corr.: 1975 ER 86 1
    50. Boog Powell 1
    51A. Mike Hargrove (Error: Lifetime AB 935 5
    51B. Mike Hargrove (Corr.: Lifetime AB 934 2
    52A. Paul Lindbald (Error: 1975 ERA 2.43 4
    52B. Paul Lindbald (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.72 2
    53. Thurman Munson 4
    54. Steve Garvey 3
    55. Pete Rose 5
    56A. Greg Gross (Error: Lifetime games: 334 4
    56B. Greg Gross ( Corr.: Lifetime Games: 302 2
    57. Ted Simmons 1

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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    Gregg, I'm not sure how tough the SP's & the errors are, so I'll let someone else respond to them.
    Upon a quick glance I noticed you have non Hall of Famers Dave Parker & Gary Carter at 4 which is higher then the Hall Of Famers Catfish Hunter & Don Sutton which you gave a 3 each. I would leave the 2 Hof'ers at 3 and adjust Parker & Carter to 2 each. Munson you also have as a 4 and although he is a non HOF'er his popularity superceeds the HOF induction, so I don't have a problem with him being a higher weight. So trial and error, your getting there...jay
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    All right, Anyone else see anything that needs to be changed? Thanks in advance, Gregg

    Quality: I ranked Thurman high, because I knew he played for the Yanks'. If you think I need to drop it, I will. Thanks for helping. Gregg.

    1. Steve Hargan SP 4
    2. Claudell Washington SP 4
    3. Don Gullett SP 4
    4. Randy Jones 1
    5. Jim Hunter 4
    6A. Clay Carroll (Cincinatti Reds on Back) 4
    6B. Clay Carroll ( Chicago White Sox on Back) 1
    7. Joe Rudi 1
    8. Reggie Jackson 5
    9. Felix Millan 1
    10. Jim Rice 3
    11. Bert Blyleven 2
    12. Ken Singleton 1
    13. Don Sutton 4
    14. Joe Morgan 4
    15. Dave Parker 3
    16. Dave Cash 1
    17. Ron LeFlore 1
    18. Greg Luzinski 2
    19. Dennis Eckersley 5
    20. Bill Madlock 1
    21. George Scott 2
    22. Willie Stargell 4
    23. Al Hrabosky 1
    24. Carl Yastrzemski 5
    25A. Jim Kaat (Chicago White Sox on Back) 4
    25B. Jim Kaat (Philadelphia Phillies on Back) 2
    26. Marty Perez 1
    27. Bob Watson 1
    28. Eric Soderholm 1
    29. Bill Lee 1
    30A. Frank Tanana (Error 1975 ERA 2.63 3
    30B. Frank Tanana (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.62 1
    31. Fred Lynn 2
    32A. Tom Seaver (Error 1967 Pct. 552 with no Decimal point) 4
    32B. Tom Seaver (Corr. 1967 Pct. .552 with Decimal Point) 3
    33. Steve Busby 1
    34. Gary Carter 3
    35. Rick Wise 1
    36. Johnny Bench 5
    37. Jim Palmer 4
    38. Bobby Murcer 2
    39. Von Joshua 1
    40. Lou Brock 5
    41A. Mickey Rivers (Missing Bio Line about Yankees 5
    41B. Mickey Rivers (Bio Line has: Yankees obtained..... 3
    42. Manny Sanguillen 1
    43. Jerry Reuss 1
    44. Ken Griffey 2
    45A. Jorge Orta (Error Lifetime AB 1615 4
    45B. Jorge Orta (Corr. Lifetime AB 1616 2
    46. John Mayberry 1
    47A. Vida Blue (Bio Line reads: Struck out more batters... 4
    47B. Vida Blue (Bio Line Reads: Pitched more innings.... 2
    48. Rod Carew 3
    49A. Jon Matlack (Error: 1975 ER 87 4
    49B. Jon Matlack (Corr.: 1975 ER 86 1
    50. Boog Powell 1
    51A. Mike Hargrove (Error: Lifetime AB 935 5
    51B. Mike Hargrove (Corr.: Lifetime AB 934 2
    52A. Paul Lindbald (Error: 1975 ERA 2.43 4
    52B. Paul Lindbald (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.72 2
    53. Thurman Munson 4
    54. Steve Garvey 3
    55. Pete Rose 5
    56A. Greg Gross (Error: Lifetime games: 334 4
    56B. Greg Gross ( Corr.: Lifetime Games: 302 2
    57. Ted Simmons 1


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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    I don't collect the set, but Carew and Seaver should be raised IMO.

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  • waitilltheytrytosellwaitilltheytrytosell Posts: 378 ✭
    The weighting applied to Kelloggs sets needs to be consistent with the way weighting is applied to regular issue Topps sets. Not only that, but the weighting for all Kelloggs sets needs to be consistent with each other. Rather than having a dozen different collectors, with varying degrees of familiarity with Kelloggs issues, all coming up with different weighting ideas for each set, one person familiar with how PSA applies weighting already, armed simply with a Beckett or SCD needs to go through and apply weighting in a consistent manner. Weighting is simply based on value. The minor minor stars with a value just above a common, need to be weighted as a common. The common variations need to be weighted as a common. Variations that aren't of any significant premium need to be counted as a common. Weighting needs to kick in with stars, minor stars, errors, and SP's of significant premium. All you have to do is look in the Beckett or SCD yearly guides to see what these cards are, and how they should be rated. The same thing then needs to be applied to all Kelloggs sets.
  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    Waittill: Are there any specific cards, or do all of them need to be changed? Am I out in left field with these? Like I said before, I only know of the players that's been mentioned on Broadcasts, or seen listed in the SMR or Beckett. I also apologize if I came off Brash or ugly to you in an earlier thread. I was having a bad day.

    NickM: Why Carew and Seaver? I thought I had weighted them pretty heavy.

    Anyone Else?
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  • AlfiewtAlfiewt Posts: 337 ✭
    here's my suggestions:

    1. Steve Hargan SP 4
    2. Claudell Washington SP 4
    3. Don Gullett SP 4
    4. Randy Jones 1
    5. Jim Hunter 4
    6A. Clay Carroll (Cincinatti Reds on Back) 3
    6B. Clay Carroll ( Chicago White Sox on Back) 1
    7. Joe Rudi 1
    8. Reggie Jackson 4
    9. Felix Millan 1
    10. Jim Rice 3
    11. Bert Blyleven 1
    12. Ken Singleton 1
    13. Don Sutton 3
    14. Joe Morgan 3
    15. Dave Parker 2
    16. Dave Cash 1
    17. Ron LeFlore 1
    18. Greg Luzinski 1
    19. Dennis Eckersley 5
    20. Bill Madlock 1
    21. George Scott 1
    22. Willie Stargell 3
    23. Al Hrabosky 1
    24. Carl Yastrzemski 4
    25A. Jim Kaat (Chicago White Sox on Back) 3
    25B. Jim Kaat (Philadelphia Phillies on Back) 2
    26. Marty Perez 1
    27. Bob Watson 1
    28. Eric Soderholm 1
    29. Bill Lee 1
    30A. Frank Tanana (Error 1975 ERA 2.63 2
    30B. Frank Tanana (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.62 1
    31. Fred Lynn 2
    32A. Tom Seaver (Error 1967 Pct. 552 with no Decimal point) 4
    32B. Tom Seaver (Corr. 1967 Pct. .552 with Decimal Point) 4
    33. Steve Busby 1
    34. Gary Carter 4
    35. Rick Wise 1
    36. Johnny Bench 4
    37. Jim Palmer 3
    38. Bobby Murcer 1
    39. Von Joshua 1
    40. Lou Brock 4
    41A. Mickey Rivers (Missing Bio Line about Yankees 2
    41B. Mickey Rivers (Bio Line has: Yankees obtained..... 1
    42. Manny Sanguillen 1
    43. Jerry Reuss 1
    44. Ken Griffey 2
    45A. Jorge Orta (Error Lifetime AB 1615 1
    45B. Jorge Orta (Corr. Lifetime AB 1616 1
    46. John Mayberry 1
    47A. Vida Blue (Bio Line reads: Struck out more batters... 1
    47B. Vida Blue (Bio Line Reads: Pitched more innings.... 1
    48. Rod Carew 4
    49A. Jon Matlack (Error: 1975 ER 87 1
    49B. Jon Matlack (Corr.: 1975 ER 86 1
    50. Boog Powell 1
    51A. Mike Hargrove (Error: Lifetime AB 935 1
    51B. Mike Hargrove (Corr.: Lifetime AB 934 1
    52A. Paul Lindbald (Error: 1975 ERA 2.43 1
    52B. Paul Lindbald (Corr. 1975 ERA 2.72 1
    53. Thurman Munson 4
    54. Steve Garvey 2
    55. Pete Rose 5
    56A. Greg Gross (Error: Lifetime games: 334 1
    56B. Greg Gross ( Corr.: Lifetime Games: 302 1
    57. Ted Simmons 1

    The Eck and Rose cards are the most vaulable in the set so they should get a weight of 5. The SP's are more vaulable then all the other cards in the set so they get a weight of 4. Most of the variations don't have any differences in value so they should't have differnt weights.
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    alfiewt: Agreed. You know more of the older guys than I do, and probably have a Big Beckett handy, and I don't. This is fine with me. Any others have a problem with alfiewt's weighting? Looks good to me.
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  • AlfiewtAlfiewt Posts: 337 ✭
    Yes, the big Beckett is handy.

    As for knowing the players better... I was born in 1978 so I don't remember seeing most of them play, I only know what I've read and heard.
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    Thanks, alfiewt. And if there are no more additions or corrections, alfiewt's weights will be accepted as is.
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  • Cardsg12Cardsg12 Posts: 61
    I'll email this list to BJ tomorrow, if no one else replies between now and then. Thanks for all the replies and help, Gregg.
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