<< <i> That just tells me it is not an altered authentic 1937-D, but not that it is NOT a die struck copy made from dies made from authentic coin. >>
Dave, in sifting through your great post, I'm stumbling on this. I'm a poor reader--could you reword? >>
If you start with a 1937-D and tool away the leg, easy pick-up. If you start with a generic die and change dates/mintmarks so you can make many copies, easy pick-up. If you start with an authentic 1937-D 3 legger in XF condition, and make a good die, it is much more difficult to detect for the average collector - especially from 2 dimensional pics with lots of lighting. ( I realize you and a few others in this thread are advanced Buffalo specialists) >>
Thanks very much for one of the better series of observations I've ever read here. What fascinates me at this point is how an accurate die could be composed from a 3-legger in XF condition. The (ahem) streak running from abdomen to the ground is so fine and nuanced, it seems an impossible diagnostic feature to duplicate. If it's being done successfully, it seems any type of counterfeiting is possible. An extremely disturbing development. If counterfeiters took it a step or two further--deliberately making the rims appear more beat-up, say--this stuff could start making it by even skilled graders. Wow...
Oddly enough,just yesterday I was asked to check over a group of coins for a client of my son and lo and behold what's in there but a raw 1937 D 3 legger.
The envelope the coin was in has a price "$47.50" written on it. The piece has a full horn and looks like the real deal to me.He'll be submitting it with some others.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Totally genuine, AU details. Hard to tell if it's cleaned or not, but either way, it's worth more than what you got for it. Be very happy when he returns it...you'll benefit.
I've had that experience a couple of times, when a buyer shows a coin I sold him to a "dealer friend", who of course would rather sell the customer his coin rather than have him keep mine. So this "dealer friend" finds one problem or another. It's never worked out badly for me in the long run.
I once bought a fake one and had to jump through hoops to prove to ebay that it was fake. I had to go to a couple dealers and obtain a notorized note saying it was fake before I was able to get my refund. The Buff pictured on this thread looks very real to me.
yes, all of the traits of a real three legged 1937-d nickel appear to be there. you just got hit with a bad ebayer and there is not a thing you can do about it. just play along until it gets resolved in your favor.
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I just hope that the coin returned is the same one sent. There are those who buy real pieces and return Asian fakes.
It behooves the smart ebay seller of a scarce raw coin to take appropriate measures with the coin's enclosure as sent out.
Buy a real one and send a fake back.Not saying that's the case here but we can be sure it's happened to some sellers and will continue to happen in the future as the fakes get better and better.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
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That just tells me it is not an altered authentic 1937-D, but not that it is NOT a die struck copy made from dies made from authentic coin. >>
Dave, in sifting through your great post, I'm stumbling on this. I'm a poor reader--could you reword? >>
If you start with a 1937-D and tool away the leg, easy pick-up. If you start with a generic die and change dates/mintmarks so you can make many copies, easy pick-up. If you start with an authentic 1937-D 3 legger in XF condition, and make a good die, it is much more difficult to detect for the average collector - especially from 2 dimensional pics with lots of lighting. ( I realize you and a few others in this thread are advanced Buffalo specialists) >>
Thanks very much for one of the better series of observations I've ever read here. What fascinates me at this point is how an accurate die could be composed from a 3-legger in XF condition. The (ahem) streak running from abdomen to the ground is so fine and nuanced, it seems an impossible diagnostic feature to duplicate. If it's being done successfully, it seems any type of counterfeiting is possible. An extremely disturbing development. If counterfeiters took it a step or two further--deliberately making the rims appear more beat-up, say--this stuff could start making it by even skilled graders. Wow...
Sale 39 Lot 1244 looks a lot like the example here but much higher grade.
I will admit when first looked at it, bells went off
Hmmmm
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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The envelope the coin was in has a price "$47.50" written on it. The piece has a full horn and looks like the real deal to me.He'll be submitting it with some others.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
It could be that the buyer was just using you for an approval service and thought he could flip the coin for a quick buck.
I just hope that the coin returned is the same one sent. There are those who buy real pieces and return Asian fakes.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
If it's not lightly cleaned,it's an AU50. Even if it's cleaned,it's a bargain at the selling price.
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I've had that experience a couple of times, when a buyer shows a coin I sold him to a "dealer friend", who of course would rather sell the customer his coin rather than have him keep mine. So this "dealer friend" finds one problem or another. It's never worked out badly for me in the long run.
...Tom
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a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
It behooves the smart ebay seller of a scarce raw coin to take appropriate measures with the coin's enclosure as sent out.
Buy a real one and send a fake back.Not saying that's the case here but we can be sure it's happened to some sellers and will continue to happen in the future as the fakes get better and better.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.