Panini Supersport UK....Dates of 1987 on the back of cards.....

Dpeck100

I just did a search for checklists for Brian's thread and came across this.


1987 Back


It looks like the stickers have dates from events that took place in 1987.


UK Checklist


Here is the checklist of the UK set. The site lists it as 1987.

Dpeck100

Anyone have any info on this?

If this is the case then the UK Panini Tyson was printed a year after the Italian version.

eagles33

I sent an email to customer service at panini to see if they can verify the year of production for the uk and Italian sets. The 88s are slabbed all different years too. I've seen the Holyfield slabbed as 87 and 88. I know there are 3 different backs on the Holyfield but have no idea what sets they are from

Big80s

Very interesting!

miklia

it'll be very interesting to see if Panini has a clue. I wonder if they have a 'Panini Vault'?

Dpeck100

This is a very strange situation.

On one hand the UK version is super condition sensitive as no packs have made their way to America and been listed on EBAY. There are no PSA 9's and two PSA 10's.

On the other hand this may turnout to be a second year card and that nullifies its rookie status.

If anyone has any loose stickers with backs on them please post some scans. It would be interesting to see the sporting events referenced and we can track it back to that date.

The 1985 OPC WWF Series II is a set that is mislabeled. There are photos from Wrestlemania II which was in April of 1986.

Dpeck100

1987 Australian Open Wiki


The sticker shown in the link mentions the 1987 Australian Open and that was in January of that year.

miklia

Dpeck, if you can confirm the UK edition is actually from 1987, the prices for mid- to high-grade Italians will rocket up again.

provided all of the mis-holdered ones out there are corrected of course, hehe.

Dpeck100

Boxing Cards


I bought a number of my first boxing cards from this guy. He has them both listed as 1986.

There was such limited information online on this set when I first started buying them and it appears even the most knowledgeable boxing experts thought these were produced in 1986.

Obviously with a date of 1987 on the back they had to be produced that year. Once we see more backs we can get a better idea of when.

The question now is to confirm if indeed the Italian set was produced in 1986. I think it was. If so this is the true rookie.

miklia

If the question of sport card ends up being his true rookie i'm quitting the hobby.

Dpeck100

The UK set has a very similar make up of athletes to the Question of Sport board game.

There could certainly be a connection here. Perhaps one responded to the other.

ReggieCleveland

Are the Italians confirmed to be from 1986? Has anyone checked the backs of the Italian version of the cards that supposed date the UK set to 1987?

miklia

there could also be multiple print runs for both the UK and Italian...

ReggieCleveland

If there are multiple print runs spanning 1986-87 then there's a crap ton of Paninis out there somewhere.

Dpeck100

86 Italian


Here is the same checklist site. There is a picture of the 86 Italian Magic Johnson. The only issue is if they were produced that year. The 1985 OPC WWF Series II says 1985 on the back as the copyright date but as stated before it is from after April 1986 in reality.

I am going to keep digging.

Dpeck100

87 Track and Field Checklist


The UK is for sure from 1987. Here is another sticker from the set with a very visible 1987 in the description.

wrestlingcardking

C'mon this is just a ploy for DPeck to buy them up from all you guys and then fix the date back to 1986!!! J/k

Dpeck100

Info request


Here is a link that lays out the difference between the 1986 set and the 1987 English set.

Dpeck100

1987 UK Pack


Here is a pack listed in the UK with 1987 as the date.

Dpeck100

1987 Sticker Album

Dpeck100

Italian Panini listing 1986



1986 Sticker Book



1986 Stickers


There are numerous listings on the Italian EBAY site that list all of the Panini Supersport Stickers from 1986. On the UK site they are all listed as 1987.

I posted a link to the UK sticker book and it is clearly different then the Italian version and there are more stickers in the UK set.

I think we have a verdict.

The Italian is the rookie and the UK appears to be released after the fact.

eagles33

What does the text say on the back of the Italian version of the UK card that mentions 87. I don't remember which one I have but ill be pissed if its the uk version and it turns out to be a year older. Mine is in an old slab so for display purposes it's from 85 and I'm not resub bing for a new flip

Dpeck100

There are different athletes in both sets.

In an old thread I broke down the wording from the Italian back Tyson from a language website and it is nothing like the UK version.

Those describe the athlete and their career in detail. The Italian version was a basic wording on all of them if I recall. I will pull them out tomorrow and confirm.

miklia

awesome, quick work Dpeck - although I'd also like to see the back variation as eagles noted. you should be an investagatory journalist!! or at least turn your boxing and wresting knowledge into a reference book.

Dpeck100

I forgot I had the opened box from a few months ago in a location close by.

All of the backs of the Italian are the same and say 1986.

Big80s

Good detective work, D! And in record time. So what I've taken from this is that someone just paid $5K for Tyson's second year card. Too soon?

ReggieCleveland

Ok, so ALL Italian stickers have a 1986 copyright printed on their backs?

Dpeck100

Yes the Italian stickers have 1986 copyright on all of them. They also have no biography like the UK version.

miklia

Just to confirm, PSA slabbed several UK stickers with a 1986 date that clearly said 1987 on the back copyright? Do I have that right?

Dpeck100

Here are scans of the front and back of a UK version and an Italian version.

miklia

Aha, thanks Dpeck. I understand now. so, several UK cards reference events in 1987, but there's no copyright date on the UK cards. Got you.

Seriously, get that book going.

Dpeck100

No that is not what is being said. By chance I found that site listed in the first post and it shows that there are stickers from the set that have 1987 in their biography from events the transpired that year.

Unless they can forecast into the future they were made in 1987.


It is very possible that some of the stickers in the Pop report were indeed slabbed that way with 1987 in the biography.





UK Pop Report



The other big issue is some of the UK stickers have indeed been slabbed Italian so those are mixed in with actual Italian stickers.



Italian Pop Report




I just noticed it looks like a PSA 9 just hit in the past few days and there are now 9 on this 86 Pop Report .



1985 Pop Report



These are the stickers in the pop report from 1985 and it could contain both UK and Italian stickers.

mcadams

Interesting thread. I HATE mis-slabbed cards. Collectors with UK cards, but in Italian slabs will undoubtedly keep them slabbed as is. Collectors with Italian cards but in UK slabs will all have their "mechanical errors" fixed. Over time, this preference for Italian slabs will distort the pop report and may create the perception that the UK version is more rare than it really is.

By the way, on Ebay right now, there are 4 for sale and all are the Italian version.

ReggieCleveland

Okay, my apologies, but I'm still confused.

The card above on the left is a UK version but it says on the bottom "printed in Italy" and has no reference to the UK. How was it determined that these are UK issues? I'm assuming there's some way (the album?) that made it identifiable to the UK other than the use of English language.

All Italian cards have no biographical information on the back? Just a generic back?

Thanks

Big80s

<< <i>Okay, my apologies, but I'm still confused.

The card above on the left is a UK version but it says on the bottom "printed in Italy" and has no reference to the UK. How was it determined that these are UK issues? I'm assuming there's some way (the album?) that made it identifiable to the UK other than the use of English language.

All Italian cards have no biographical information on the back? Just a generic back?

Thanks >>



Could they have been printed in Italy for a UK release?

ReggieCleveland

Absolutely. There's been a ton of examples where a set was printed in one country for release in another. I'm just curious how it was determined they are a UK release.

simon2010

i have 4 of these tyson rookie italy cards and as much as it would great if the italy card is indeed his rc i think both cards where listed same time.....

on the uk card it says tyson has had 25 fights so far.......mike tyson took on marvis frazier on the 26 july 1986 in ny for his 25th pro fight

he still had 3 more fights in 1986 which he won

in 1987 his first fight came against James Smith, Las Vegas in march 7

so from his 25th fight till his first fight in 1987 the time scale was 8 months

tyson was still 20 years old but this fight would of been his 29th fight

ReggieCleveland

I think the most likely scenario is that they were printed over the course of a year or two. If some cards from the set mention events that took place in 1987 and others place it in 1986 then that seems reasonable. It would by no means be the first time a foreign set was issued over the course of a few years.

ReggieCleveland

<< <i>i have 4 of these tyson rookie italy cards and as much as it would great if the italy card is indeed his rc i think both cards where listed same time.....

on the uk card it says tyson has had 25 fights so far.......mike tyson took on marvis frazier on the 26 july 1986 in ny for his 25th pro fight

he still had 3 more fights in 1986 which he won

in 1987 his first fight came against James Smith, Las Vegas in march 7

so from his 25th fight till his first fight in 1987 the time scale was 8 months

tyson was still 20 years old but this fight would of been his 29th fight >>



After looking at Tyson's record, none of the info on the back of the UK matches up. It states that he's undefeated through 25 fights (25th fight was Marvis Frazier, end of July 1986), states that he has 23 knockouts through those 25 fights (23rd knockout was Jose Ribalta, August 1986), and states he is the WBC Heavyweight Champion (Tyson won the WBC championship November 22 1986).

Based on the WBC mention, odds are pretty strong that the UK is a 1987 release, unless they went to print immediately after the Tyson fight, which is unlikely.

So there we have it.

Dpeck100

I highly doubt these were released in a number of different series. The boxes of the Italian version offer a chance at any card from the set. I have to assume it is the same for the UK version.

Panini is an Italian company so it seems perfectly logical that they would have produced a product in Italy for a different market and shipped the stickers there.

I can recall in the 80's seeing boxes of Leaf which were the Canadian version of Donruss on US card store shelves.

I posted a link to a sticker that referenced the Australian Open from 1987 and that tournament ended on January 25th. I would like to see other sticker backs to see how deep into 1987 they reference events.

Personally after seeing the evidence I do not think there is any question that the UK or English version was produced in 1987.

Lets face it they were not going to sell Italian language stickers in the United Kingdom and with the tremendous interest in soccer and other sports showcased in the set it makes perfect since to sell a different version that the consumer could read.

ReggieCleveland

I don't think anyone is suggesting that they printed them in series. If they are, I would agree with you that that's highly unlikely. I can confirm Panini produced cards for distribution in countries other than Italy and the UK as far back as the late-70s.

miklia

a likely solution is that they were released in mid/late 86 for italy, then in early 87 for the uk, using the same printing press but updating the backs with the info that they had at the time. if this is done in jan or feb 87, then the timeline fits.

Dpeck100

It took me a little while to find this thread and I just wanted a refresher on the details.

Dpeck100

Great scans of an empty album from the UK.

Final page shows offer only runs during 1987.

Album

Dpeck100

1987 Foil sticker


This is the first example of the foil sticker I have seen graded by PSA with the accurate date of 1987.

Off to a pretty good start.

Dpeck100

PSA 9 foil


I am all for the this sticker selling for as much as it can as I have one but I really think PSA should merge the 86 certs with the 87 to accurately depict the true pop. It is really a pop 4 then and I would hate to see a collector buy this thinking they own the sole mint copy at this time. PWCC auctioned off an example recently that tore the house down and I think the final price may have had something to do with the assumption the item was more rare in the grade then it was. This is a real beauty that is for sure!