Leaf making cards of Johnny Manziel

Tabe

So Leaf has announced they'll be doing artwork cut autographed cards of Johnny Manziel:


Johnny Manziel cards


If you want a summary of everything that's wrong with the NCAA and with businesses, all in one place, this story pretty much covers it. Here's a player who can't sell his own autograph, or picture, because of NCAA rules but, hey, a card company can go ahead and sell his cut autographs on cards with his image on them? Is that not completely messed up?

Tabe

prthd

I think this is going to start a whole wave of things to come.

digicat

So, is there any existing precedent for the First Amendment being used successfully to defend the practice of using another's name and likeness w/o permission in a for-profit venture?

bigjed

Just another reason for players to hate signing autographs. Thanks a lot Leaf.

VitoCo1972

<< <i>So, is there any existing precedent for the First Amendment being used successfully to defend the practice of using another's name and likeness w/o permission in a for-profit venture? >>



Where is Storm888 when you need him?!

mcadams

<< <i>So Leaf has announced they'll be doing artwork cut autographed cards of Johnny Manziel:


Johnny Manziel cards


If you want a summary of everything that's wrong with the NCAA and with businesses, all in one place, this story pretty much covers it. Here's a player who can't sell his own autograph, or picture, because of NCAA rules but, hey, a card company can go ahead and sell his cut autographs on cards with his image on them? Is that not completely messed up?

Tabe >>



These kids know exactly what they're signing up for. They know about the EA Sports video games in advance, they know the colleges sell jerseys in the bookstores etc. etc. etc. No one held a gun to their head and forced them to play NCAA football. They did it by choice and they understood that they would not profit while in college. Nothing new here...

stown

<< <i>So, is there any existing precedent for the First Amendment being used successfully to defend the practice of using another's name and likeness w/o permission in a for-profit venture? >>



Tabloids?

NVbaseball

<< <i> They did it by choice and they understood that they would not profit while in college. Nothing new here... >>



Were their choices only restricted by what the free-market would allow based on supply-and-demand or do they face further barriers to selling their services?

ydapd

ignoring the other issues, those are some butt ugly cards.

kingnascar

<< <i>Just another reason for players to hate signing autographs. Thanks a lot Leaf. >>

ClockworkAngel

We're only a few years away from Upper Deck, Leaf, or Bowman staring to include autographed cards of the best players in Little League Baseball and Pop Warner Football...

matthewbschultz83

Great....let's give Aggies another thing to gripe about....

If you live in the state of Texas you know what I'm talking about. And yes those cards are hideous.

mcadams

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<< <i> They did it by choice and they understood that they would not profit while in college. Nothing new here... >>



Were their choices only restricted by what the free-market would allow based on supply-and-demand or do they face further barriers to selling their services? >>



There are no restrictions. They signed a contract to play NCAA sports and attend a University in exchange for a free education. Its a contract. If they'd rather go work somewhere instead and stop receiving a free education, they have the right to do that any time. No one is restricting them from making that choice if they wish. Some athletes make this choice by leaving early and entering the draft after their Sophomore or Junior years.

Tabe

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These kids know exactly what they're signing up for. They know about the EA Sports video games in advance, they know the colleges sell jerseys in the bookstores etc. etc. etc. No one held a gun to their head and forced them to play NCAA football. They did it by choice and they understood that they would not profit while in college. Nothing new here... >>


Hey, you're right. There's a gigantic market for 18 and 19-year old football players outside of the NCAA. They can just go straight into the NFL and play there if they're good enough. Free market and all that, right? Except, oh wait, they CAN'T. They're banned from the NFL until 3 years out of high school.

And, actually, no, they don't give EA the right to their likeness. That's why EA doesn't - or isn't supposed to - include names and so on. But then they do anyway.

I think as freshmen the kids know what they're signing up for. Or think they do. And then they've been in school for a couple years and suddenly the "wow, that's cool" aspect of seeing their number all over the bookstore has worn off. They mature and they realize they're getting screwed.

Seriously, you don't see ANYTHING wrong with a card company creating cards against Manziel's will and without any payment to him of any kind? REALLY? That's somehow OK?

Tabe

NVbaseball

<< <i>There are no restrictions. They signed a contract to play NCAA sports and attend a University in exchange for a free education. Its a contract. If they'd rather go work somewhere instead and stop receiving a free education, they have the right to do that any time. No one is restricting them from making that choice if they wish. Some athletes make this choice by leaving early and entering the draft after their Sophomore or Junior years. >>



So if Texas A&M believed Johnny Manziel helped increase profits by $3 million and offered to pay him $2 million that wouldn't be restricted by anyone?

Before his signed his contract with A&M and Alabama thought he could increase profits by $5 million and offered to pay him $4 million, that wouldn't be restricted in any way?

(Also, if he is receiving his education in exchange for something, that is the exact definition of a cost, not something for free)

matthewbschultz83

When I was a Tech <10 years ago I worked in the Athletic Business Office. Full Scholarship Athletes that lived off campus (any sport) got a stipend check for $975 a month while school was in session. That is more than 3 times the amount of rent and bills if you're splitting a place with a couple of roommates in Lubbock, Texas.

They also get other perks - clothes from the athletic department, bowl gifts, meals, nice place to stay on the road, free access to tutors, team meals, team movie before game night, etc., etc. And yes of course a free education. Are they getting screwed relative to the amount of cash they bring in for programs, probably, but they have no recourse at this point and no say in who makes the decision.

Tabe

I can even sort of live with A&M and the NCAA making money off Manziel. It's just all kings of messed up that Leaf is able to and there's nothing Manziel can do about it. That's just not right.

Tabe

oldmanvintagecards

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<< <i> They did it by choice and they understood that they would not profit while in college. Nothing new here... >>



Were their choices only restricted by what the free-market would allow based on supply-and-demand or do they face further barriers to selling their services? >>



There are no restrictions. They signed a contract to play NCAA sports and attend a University in exchange for a free education. Its a contract. If they'd rather go work somewhere instead and stop receiving a free education, they have the right to do that any time. No one is restricting them from making that choice if they wish. Some athletes make this choice by leaving early and entering the draft after their Sophomore or Junior years. >>

GR

This is the same company that has autographed cards of high school recruits though...what would you expect?

minnesotahusker

<< <i>We're only a few years away from Upper Deck, Leaf, or Bowman staring to include autographed cards of the best players in Little League Baseball and Pop Warner Football... >>



Press Pass Racing has already headed down this road with this 2012 Press Pass Total Memorabilia Rising Star race used memorabilia and autograph card. He is the young son of Jeff Burton.

wrestlingcardking

That is nuts.......

mcadams

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These kids know exactly what they're signing up for. They know about the EA Sports video games in advance, they know the colleges sell jerseys in the bookstores etc. etc. etc. No one held a gun to their head and forced them to play NCAA football. They did it by choice and they understood that they would not profit while in college. Nothing new here... >>


Hey, you're right. There's a gigantic market for 18 and 19-year old football players outside of the NCAA. They can just go straight into the NFL and play there if they're good enough. Free market and all that, right? Except, oh wait, they CAN'T. They're banned from the NFL until 3 years out of high school.

And, actually, no, they don't give EA the right to their likeness. That's why EA doesn't - or isn't supposed to - include names and so on. But then they do anyway.

Tabe >>



EA doesn't include names. But you just said they did. Let's keep the facts straight here. You can debate that they use a certain player's skin color, approximate size, and jersey number. But don't claim that they use names because we both know that they don't.

GR

I think south park covered the issue pretty magnificently if any of you guys havent seen it, south park studios.com Crack baby athletic association episode... Its actually a pretty good eye opener

Tabe

<< <i>EA doesn't include names. But you just said they did. Let's keep the facts straight here. You can debate that they use a certain player's skin color, approximate size, and jersey number. But don't claim that they use names because we both know that they don't. >>


The names are included in the commentary. EA knows that people will replace the text names with correct rosters and includes the actual names in the audio commentary.

So, yes, they do use names.

Tabe

stown

<< <i>I think south park covered the issue pretty magnificently if any of you guys havent seen it, south park studios.com Crack baby athletic association episode... Its actually a pretty good eye opener >>

mcadams

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<< <i>EA doesn't include names. But you just said they did. Let's keep the facts straight here. You can debate that they use a certain player's skin color, approximate size, and jersey number. But don't claim that they use names because we both know that they don't. >>


The names are included in the commentary. EA knows that people will replace the text names with correct rosters and includes the actual names in the audio commentary.

So, yes, they do use names.

Tabe >>



No, EA doesn't use the names of college players in the game. And if other people go in and change the names of the players to their real names, well then thats not EA's issue either. That's the users doing it on their own.

Tabe

You are obviously not understanding me - EA includes all the player names in the audio commentary. So the names are there - and EA did it.

Tabe

mcadams

<< <i>You are obviously not understanding me - EA includes all the player names in the audio commentary. So the names are there - and EA did it.

Tabe >>



Ah! I did misread your previous post. I have never noticed that there is a verbal reference to the names. I'll have to get the Xbox out this afternoon and put a few of the NCAA Football games in and see if I notice any names being dropped. I know the lead-in to the game is video footage from some pre-game activity at several universities (like the Chief at FSU planting the flag at midfield etc.),

At least I think we're agreeing that the players in the game aren't named. There is some kid who developed a program that you can download that changes the names in the game, and I thought that is what you were referencing and incorrectly thinking that EA produced that program.