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A nice 1810 CBH newp
BustHalfBrian
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Just a little newp from an eBay BIN listing. It's a very EDS O.109 R3 w/ full milling on the obv and nearly full milling on the rev.
I shouldn't be buying right now, but just couldn't pass up this unspoiled perfection... and the price was fair.
I put VF30 on the 2x2 where it now resides. Sound accurate? Too generous? Maybe a bit conservative?...
Give me your thoughts!
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I shouldn't be buying right now, but just couldn't pass up this unspoiled perfection... and the price was fair.
I put VF30 on the 2x2 where it now resides. Sound accurate? Too generous? Maybe a bit conservative?...
Give me your thoughts!
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Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.
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Does anyone else wonder about the surfaces?
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Dolan
VF30 is my opinion too.
Lance.
<< <i>A lot of CBHs have surfaces like that. I'm not a big fan of the seemingly artificial blue hues that comes through, but very acceptable given the grade and the cost. I've seen many like that in PCGS slabs for that grade level. PCGS is more forgiving in the VF grade range. >>
Pretty common, I agree. I'm fine with the deep blue rims and I think PCGS wouldn't complain. I'm not sure, John, what an old soap and water wash would look like but I respect your opinion and it made me look closer.
The below CBH arrived yesterday. It has some of the same traits. I am not sure I will keep it, though. It's overgraded by NGC by 5-10 points and I expected something different based on the seller's photos.
Lance.
Let me guess - it's NGC 45, because I'd put it at 35/40.
I've only ever successfully crossed one CBH from NGC plastic to PCGS without a downgrade - out of the five or six I've attempted. The 1812 in my Registry was NGC 40, and PCGS agreed with that number.
I think you nailed the grade pretty right on, perhaps a tad conservative even. I've seen that dusty kind of blue toning quite a bit, and wondered about it on a couple of coins...
But i couldn't say for sure...
<< <i>I like that one, Lance. The color is lovely!
Let me guess - it's NGC 45, because I'd put it at 35/40.
I've only ever successfully crossed one CBH from NGC plastic to PCGS without a downgrade - out of the five or six I've attempted. The 1812 in my Registry was NGC 40, and PCGS agreed with that number. >>
Exacto mundo!
Let's say NGC didn't overgrade it. They graded it as XF45 to their standards. I'd call it a 35.
Lance.
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<< <i>I like that one, Lance. The color is lovely!
Let me guess - it's NGC 45, because I'd put it at 35/40.
I've only ever successfully crossed one CBH from NGC plastic to PCGS without a downgrade - out of the five or six I've attempted. The 1812 in my Registry was NGC 40, and PCGS agreed with that number. >>
Exacto mundo!
Let's say NGC didn't overgrade it. They graded it as XF45 to their standards. I'd call it a 35.
Lance. >>
That would be a pretty choice 35 you guys...looks 40 to me . We've all seen pcgs 40's that look no better
PS- I see you already responded to the thread about mine, and said VF30.
So there you have it. We're runnin' pretty close between these two coins, I guess.
<< <i>VF30 sounds a bit right, but then again, could be conservative if you consider MY 1810 newp is in an ANACS VF35 slab (old small holder). Clicking back and forth, our two coins look relatively similar in grade to me- yours has a little bit better hair detail on the obverse while mine has maybe, just maybe a tiny bit better feather definition on the eagle's wings. Yours has gorgeous CircCam contrast I'm a bit envious of. Looks like it has a few old hits, but I definitely wouldn't fault it for that.
PS- I see you already responded to the thread about mine, and said VF30.
So there you have it. We're runnin' pretty close between these two coins, I guess. >>
Yes, your 1810 is a beaute!
The reason (in part) for my coin's lack of feather definition, I believe, is the same reason your coin lacks hair detail - a weak strike. It's very typical of the date.
Shallow dies are to blame. Modifications to the design made in the year prior resulted in many poorly-struck examples for both the 1809 and 1810 CBHs.
Help me out with the term "milling" as used in this context, would you? It would seem I'm not entirely up to speed.
You voted 30 on mine and on yours as well.
Since I know mine is in 35 plastic, I'm going to propose 35 on yours as well. Oh so close.
As mentioned, I like the CircCam contrast on yours a bit better, but do like the fact that mine is already in TPG plastic.
Both nice coins.
I think if you were to add similar slab plastic and take away the few minor old hits on yours, maybe I'd like yours a little bit better than mine.
As it is, I like our two coins about equally.
Here are the pix of mine, for anybody who doesn't feel like juggling two different threads for comparison purposes.
BHNC #203
John
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<< <i>Maybe I am being too critical...
John >>
Nah, I understand why you found the color suspect. It's a little different, and the discoloration around the edges is interesting, but I don't think it's anything PCGS will dub a "problem".
I'll probably send it out there next month, and will definitely get back to you all with the results!
<< <i>...Help me out with the term "milling" as used in this context, would you? It would seem I'm not entirely up to speed... >>
Sorry I missed this Q!
Milling refers to the indentations around the coin's perimeter. They're similar to the "denticles" or "dentils" you see on post-screw press era half dimes, dimes, quarters, half dollars, and dollars.