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Mr. Probstein, bid on 11 of your auctions and consignor bid on all of these wrestling cards

wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
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Rick-

Could you please cancel and block your consignor (feedback 1209) from bidding on his wrestling all star cards in the auctions that I am currently bidding on? I see no point in bidding when I know that I bound to be shilled. He has bid on 11 auctions that I am bidding on and I do not feel I should have to compete with the owner of these cards for my collection.

Thanks,
Rob
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable

Comments

  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This situation makes me sick.


  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hiya Rob

    I stink at this kind of stuff - how do you know that the owner has bid on their own cards?
    Mike
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know who it is.

    This is not a big market.
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    I think I've seen this movie before.
    Successful transactions with: thedutymon, tsalems1, davidpuddy, probstein123, lodibrewfan, gododgersfan, dialj, jwgators, copperjj, larryp, hookem, boopotts, crimsontider, rogermnj, swartz1, Counselor

    Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
  • al032184al032184 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭
    It has become apparent to me that Rick doesn't really care. He may have before, but he's just got so many consignments now and the money keeps coming in, so he just overlooks it. Just my opinion.
  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    I tend to agree that nothing will be done so I think the best action is to not bid further in the auctions no matter what the price is.
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I went to bid on the cards and looked at the bidder list and instantly saw the consignor's EBAY ID.

    The reason I have 100% proof is I sold him some Diego Maradona Panini stickers from the 1986 set.

  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    In the Hogan auction, the top 3 bidders have 15%, 17%, and 14% of their bids with Probstein over the last 30 days. The consignor who is bidding on his own items is over 40% of all bids with Rick. No red flags here.....
    Successful transactions with: thedutymon, tsalems1, davidpuddy, probstein123, lodibrewfan, gododgersfan, dialj, jwgators, copperjj, larryp, hookem, boopotts, crimsontider, rogermnj, swartz1, Counselor

    Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Damn, that stinks! And the very reason I SNIPE.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Damn, that stinks! And the very reason I SNIPE. >>



    Sniping wont protect you against safety bids.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No it won't. It actually exposes you to significant losses. My argument from the start.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately, this kind of thing (consignors shilling their auctions) appears to rampant on ebay these days. For every one time, it comes to light, there are several times it doesn't.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    wck: did you try contacting him through ebay? You might get a quicker response from that, as he will be notified by email if you message him there. However, I believe he observes Shabbat, so any attempt to reach him might not matter until it is over.

    Rick, if I am wrong about that, my apologies.

    Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
  • eagles33eagles33 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭
    I'm just playing devils advocate here... But what's the difference between shilling and setting a reserve?
    Scans of most of my Misc rookies can be found <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.collectors.com/m...y&keyword1=Non%20major">here
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm just playing devils advocate here... But what's the difference between shilling and setting a reserve? >>



    Shilling steals money from the winner if the shiller is outbid as the item would have sold for less in most cases.

    A reserve is apparent to the bidder and he can choose to try and reach the reserve or not. If you don't want to
    sell your items and assume any risk, then go with the reserve. Don't take money out of someone else's pocket.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • MrKnowthanxMrKnowthanx Posts: 322 ✭✭
    How am I able to tell the bidder if I can't see his name. I know you have a way I just can't figure it out. A way to get around the m****m?
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just do a little homework on the people you bid against when you are buying cards. You can see the list here. The bidder at $25 is the consignor.





    Only actual bids (not automatic bids generated up to a bidder's maximum) are shown. Automatic bids may be placed days or hours before a listing ends. Learn more about bidding.
    Show automatic bids
    Bidder Bid Amount Bid Time
    l***_( 257) US $305.00
    Feb-22-13 17:29:03 PST

    n***o( 2050) US $300.00
    Feb-22-13 03:18:22 PST

    t***s( 2901) US $300.00
    Feb-22-13 16:06:53 PST

    t***s( 2901) US $250.00
    Feb-22-13 15:11:44 PST

    m***o( 1643) US $234.88
    Feb-22-13 14:59:16 PST

    0***0( 1209) US $25.00
    Feb-21-13 19:33:01 PST

    o***o( 881) US $20.00
    Feb-21-13 23:14:44 PST

    Starting Price US $0.99
    Feb-21-13 19:00:17 PST
    If you and another bidder placed the same bid amount, the earlier bid takes priority.Under certain circumstances only, you can retract your bid.


    Item info

    1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A #2 Hulk Hogan PSA 9 MINT
    Current bid: US $305.00
    Shipping: US $3.50 -- Standard Shipping (USPS First Class Package).
    Item number: 360599742007
    Enter your maximum bid:
    Place bid
    (Enter US $310.00 or more)
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1982 Dick Murdoch



    This is one of the toughest cards in the 1982 set.


    So far the consignor is the top bid.

  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    I don't think the 1209 feedback account is the only ID thats part of the game.
    Successful transactions with: thedutymon, tsalems1, davidpuddy, probstein123, lodibrewfan, gododgersfan, dialj, jwgators, copperjj, larryp, hookem, boopotts, crimsontider, rogermnj, swartz1, Counselor

    Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    I suppose this is where it would be fun to have a bunch of bid retractions after being shilled to death!!!!!!!!!!! (not that I ever retract a bid, but it would be fun to do!)
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
  • longtimemetsfanlongtimemetsfan Posts: 152 ✭✭


    << <i>Just do a little homework on the people you bid against when you are buying cards. You can see the list here. The bidder at $25 is the consignor.





    Only actual bids (not automatic bids generated up to a bidder's maximum) are shown. Automatic bids may be placed days or hours before a listing ends. Learn more about bidding.
    Show automatic bids
    Bidder Bid Amount Bid Time
    l***_( 257) US $305.00
    Feb-22-13 17:29:03 PST

    n***o( 2050) US $300.00
    Feb-22-13 03:18:22 PST

    t***s( 2901) US $300.00
    Feb-22-13 16:06:53 PST

    t***s( 2901) US $250.00
    Feb-22-13 15:11:44 PST

    m***o( 1643) US $234.88
    Feb-22-13 14:59:16 PST

    0***0( 1209) US $25.00
    Feb-21-13 19:33:01 PST

    o***o( 881) US $20.00
    Feb-21-13 23:14:44 PST

    Starting Price US $0.99
    Feb-21-13 19:00:17 PST
    If you and another bidder placed the same bid amount, the earlier bid takes priority.Under certain circumstances only, you can retract your bid.


    Item info

    1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A #2 Hulk Hogan PSA 9 MINT
    Current bid: US $305.00
    Shipping: US $3.50 -- Standard Shipping (USPS First Class Package).
    Item number: 360599742007
    Enter your maximum bid:
    Place bid
    (Enter US $310.00 or more) >>



    Shilling sucks, I get that, but in this case the consignor bid $25.00 and the card is over $300.00. Unless he bids again, his bid is meaningless.
  • churchiscoolchurchiscool Posts: 534 ✭✭
    is he a board member? maybe you guys can just negotiate to buy the cards off him instead of messing around and giving probstein/ebay/paypal a piece of the cut?
  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    How does shilling on all 12 items make it okay for those that are less expensive and do you really think that is all the bidding that is going to happen? The cards were only posted a day ago. Once the other bids come in, the more bids (shills) he will come in with.
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem is if he is willing to bid on his own item, who else does he know that will bidding on it too.

    His opening bids will obviously have no bearing on the outcome.


    He did not need to bid on this card.


    This Hogan sold in the past year for $1,125 to him.


    The Hogan will do well regardless but having the consignor bid on his own item just makes it tough to feel comfortable bidding on a card.



  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On the Dick Murdoch that I posted had the consignor not bid on his own card the current bid would be $6.50 instead of $25.

    Now let's be honest this card has no chance of selling for $25 but it is altering the natural outcome of the auction.

    The seller purchased this card for $455.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry this happend to you. If you still have bids Id say retract them and not bid anymore.
    Also with shill bidding like said before about saftey bids. The smartest shill bid is a snipe/shill bid/saftey bid. They do all 3.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>wck: did you try contacting him through ebay? You might get a quicker response from that, as he will be notified by email if you message him there. However, I believe he observes Shabbat, so any attempt to reach him might not matter until it is over. Rick, if I am wrong about that, my apologies. >>


    GEORDIE ... you are correct. Rick will not respond to any question until tomorrow after sunset. (About 6:30pm)
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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