Interesting Morgan Edge...any explanations? Possible Vertically MAD?

stealer

PMD or mint-made error?
The coin appears to be genuine in my opinion, and matches the diagnostics of VAM-3. The edge looks really funky, however.
The area I'm showing is only about 1/8 of the edge of the coin, the rest looks like your average Joe Morgan edge reeding that goes from rim to rim.




This is how the rest of the rim looks like:



Overall images:

LanceNewmanOCC

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keep us updated on how it grades or if you return it.
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AUandAG

That rim does not seem to match the condition of the rest of the coin.

Looks like it is on a worn out dollar.

Can't explain it.

bob

Overdate

Perhaps post-mint damage by a slot machine?

stealer

Here's how the rest of the rim looks, FWIW:

coinsarefun

That's definitely different. Doesn't look pm damage to me though...hmm

LanceNewmanOCC

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after reviewing the seller's pics and yours and taking in to account what we discussed, i'd give serious consideration to returning the item and leaving a neg.

the altered images become apparent once you start comparing them to the coin
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coinsarefun

<< <i>.
after reviewing the seller's pics and yours and taking in to account what we discussed, i'd give serious consideration to returning the item and leaving a neg.

the altered images become apparent once you start comparing them to the coin
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You have a link Lance?

stealer

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Kove

My guess is a vertically misaligned die.

The hammer die was not completely parallel to the planchet, and the portion of the die that was tilted higher did not have as much striking pressure on that part of the coin. Thus it didn't force the metal into the collar as much on that part of the coin.

Looking at the obverse photos, the better-struck part of the coin has a nice ridge brought up between the denticles and the rim. The part that is less well-struck due to greater distance between the dies has no deliniation between the denticles and the rim.

PerryHall

<< <i>My guess is a vertically misaligned die.

The hammer die was not completely parallel to the planchet, and the portion of the die that was tilted higher did not have as much striking pressure on that part of the coin. Thus it didn't force the metal into the collar as much on that part of the coin.

Looking at the obverse photos, the better-struck part of the coin has a nice ridge brought up between the denticles and the rim. The part that is less well-struck due to greater distance between the dies has no deliniation between the denticles and the rim. >>



This makes sense and would certainly explain the difference in the two edge pics.

stealer

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<< <i>My guess is a vertically misaligned die.

The hammer die was not completely parallel to the planchet, and the portion of the die that was tilted higher did not have as much striking pressure on that part of the coin. Thus it didn't force the metal into the collar as much on that part of the coin.

Looking at the obverse photos, the better-struck part of the coin has a nice ridge brought up between the denticles and the rim. The part that is less well-struck due to greater distance between the dies has no deliniation between the denticles and the rim. >>



This makes sense and would certainly explain the difference in the two edge pics. >>


I don't know if it matters but the poorly struck areas that lead into the well struck portion of the coin exhibits very interesting reeding as well.
The reeding touches the reverse rim, but does not make it to the obverse rim.

PerryHall

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<< <i>My guess is a vertically misaligned die.

The hammer die was not completely parallel to the planchet, and the portion of the die that was tilted higher did not have as much striking pressure on that part of the coin. Thus it didn't force the metal into the collar as much on that part of the coin.

Looking at the obverse photos, the better-struck part of the coin has a nice ridge brought up between the denticles and the rim. The part that is less well-struck due to greater distance between the dies has no deliniation between the denticles and the rim. >>



This makes sense and would certainly explain the difference in the two edge pics. >>


I don't know if it matters but the poorly struck areas that lead into the well struck portion of the coin exhibits very interesting reeding as well.
The reeding touches the reverse rim, but does not make it to the obverse rim. >>



It is probably a result of the edge dragging against the collar as the coin is ejected.

LanceNewmanOCC

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<< <i>.after reviewing the seller's pics and yours and taking in to account what we discussed, i'd give serious consideration to returning the item and leaving a neg.
the altered images become apparent once you start comparing them to the coin. >>


You have a link Lance? >>


i do, but i'm not getting in the middle of this one.
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stealer

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stealer

Bump for any other ideas.

rawmorgan

Honestly
I believe if you send it in it will come back as a legit morgan, graded by our hosts.

Is it wihin tolerance for size and weight?

Any manufacturing process can result in any number of odd non specific characteristics, especially in morgans.
Look up any of the Vams with overlapping reeding, those are crazy.

If your not comfortable with the coin and the seller has a return policy use it.

But I don't see a replica/fake here.

CaptHenway

I'm thinking that perhaps the edge of the planchet was damaged prior to the strike, possibly in the upsetting mill?

SullivanNumismatics

Interesting coin, although I can't tell from the pictures what exactly it is. I do think it's probably a genuine mint error.

One thing that is interesting, is that although the edge is weak, also the coin's rim is weak and not properly formed (note how flat it is) from about 7 o'clock to 12:30 (views from the obverse.) The rest of the coin has a strong rim. Possibly the coin was not properly annealed and was extra hard on that side of the coin, which would have possibly prevented the coin from strike up properly, but that's a guess.

stealer

Another interesting anomaly is that the obverse pinwheel luster seems to originate from two different areas, as opposed to the typical (?) one point where the metal flows out to meet the collar.
One point is just under Liberty's eye, and the other southwest of the ear lobe next to the hair curls.
Also, on the reverse legends adjacent to the strongly struck obverse, the letters and star from ES in STATES clockwise to DO in DOLLAR exhibit some abnormalities.
There are depressions in the legends, with the deepest areas being the letter itself, that cause metal to radially flow out from the depressions.

This is where the reeding touches the reverse rim, but doesn't make it to the obverse:



A few more images of different parts: