1921 & '22 American Caramel Babe Ruth

Brandon554

I jumped the gun at a live auction and now am having doubts about my purchase. Can anyone help me with the authenticity of either of these?

Thanks

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8797cb236560845

http://www.imagebam.com/image/18795e236560861

http://www.imagebam.com/image/993999236560874

http://www.imagebam.com/image/5bcae0236560899

EDIT: PICS BELOW

Brandon554

Sorry about the cluster, I was having trouble adding attachments

Dboneesq

Let's see if these are better.

Brandon554

Thanks Dboneesq

Dboneesq

fkw

********EDITED because the pics are in goofy order .... the 1st and 4th pic go together and the middle 2 go together*******


Both of those cards are tough...

As you can tell from the back ad, only 1 is an American Caramel card, its from the much scarcer 1922 E122 set (the 'pitching' one)...
(much scarcer than any of the 9 different Ruth's found in the other 1921-22 Era A C Co. sets.... ie E120, E121-80, E121-120 sets made by American Caramel)

the other card (chopped/ 'batting') is a E220 National Caramel card, thought to have been issued for 3 years 1921-23. E220s are also much scarcer than the more common A C Co. sets listed above

I dont see anything *wrong (no red flags) beside the fact that one is heavily chopped and worth a fraction of what it would be otherwise
the full size looking card looks narrow because the photo was taken at an angle, but it also might be trimmed years ago ??? (but corners dont show modern trimming)

the good thing is both of these sets are not reprinted that I know of..... they are tough cards, if you got a deal, those are nice, especially the E122

*there are homemade fakes though and Im just looking at images...
the chopped one, E220 (middle 2 pics) Im 99% sure is authentic
the E122 Im only 75% sure (mainly cause of strange back staining line near bottom of back image ..... the stain line below the "LANCASTER AND YORK...")

ReggieCleveland

My gut reaction is not authentic but that's just based on my knowledge of printing processes of the era. I'm not familiar with these sets. You're much more likely to get an informed opinion on Net54. Good luck.

Brandon554

I couldn't find a similar example with the border around Ruth's name. Thank you for the information.

fkw

Just to let you know, the chopped E220 card ('batting') also would have a pinstripe box around the caption similar to the E122 if it wasnt chopped so close, but the lines were cut off on the 2 sides and bottom line looks to be so close to the cut its not easily seen and looks like a shadow in image....
All the others sets I mentioned above dont have a box around the caption, the caption is within the bottom border...

Brandon554

Thank you fkw, much appreciated

Brandon554

I have another question, would you get the heavily chopped E220 in just an authenticated slab?

ShootyBabitt

If it were me, I would get any Ruth in an authentic slab.

RAWcardDAWG

<< <i>If it were me, I would get any Ruth in an authentic slab. >>



No doubt. A Ruth is a card that people will pony up for almost regardless of condition. Authentic slab is the way to go.

Brandon554

Im new to this, my understanding is you can either send it in to have it graded (1-10) or simply send it in to get authenticated w/o any grade. Is the trimmed card good enough to get a grade?

Big80s

<< <i>Im new to this, my understanding is you can either send it in to have it graded (1-10) or simply send it in to get authenticated w/o any grade. Is the trimmed card good enough to get a grade? >>



Nope - if it's trimmed you won't receive a numeric grade, and you'll want to request authentication, or they won't slab it at all. There's a box to check stating you're okay with receiving an "Auth" grade on the submission form. Good luck.

Brandon554

Gotcha, thank you

MAGNUMGT71

Hey Brandon

Just curious, what ever happened to the 1st babe Ruth baseball card in the picture
Please let me know
Thanks

Brandon554

I sent in the trimmed card to be slabbed as AUTH, had the form filled out correctly and came back with a trimmed sticker (photo copied sub and double checked it was filled out right). Was pissed @ the result and haven't sent in the other.

MAGNUMGT71

And what ever happened to the other card, did you keep it or did you end up selling it? Do you know if its authentic?